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[Joe]

ORIGINAL: robertgeorge

Got Joe Kings project file which included his midi set up. i think my Hi Hat is working as well as anyones (fair to midland IMHO) but want to be sure. Ij you folks would be so kind to please LISTEN to the sound of the open edge verses bow and tell me if you hear any difference. It sounds like the same sample to me. The only time I hear a tip sound at all is when the hi hat is closed. The rest sounds like edge sounds. This is NOT how a hi hat plays/sounds. You should be able to get open TIP sounds right? Can anyone hear the difference between the open edge and tip when they play?

Thanks guys

That is correct, there are no separate Bow/Edge articulations for the Open positions in the current library/engine.  If you preview each articulation one at a time (using the velocity sensitive pad in the Instrument pane), those are all the sounds possible from your currently selected HiHat.  Mapping up your physical HiHat will not result in any sounds that aren’t listed in the articulation set.

There is one constant in the Superior line since I’ve been a user … each revisions brings more articulations.  More articulations also mean more space requirements and more loaded samples (as every articulation then needs a pool of samples to prevent artificial repetitiveness during play).  So, there is a balance.  Personally, I think the HiHat works great … but you are right, it does not have open Tip sounds at this time.

[Joe]

ORIGINAL: Bassmeister
I played through the kit/Superior 2 a few HiHat strikes while I worked the HH pedal. I recorded the midi, copied it and also played that through DFHS. The results are here:

Others may have more specific replies as to the nature of this problem, but I haven’t heard that type of response before, even when my HiHat was incorrectly mapped.  To me it sounds almost like an audio issue more than a mapping issue .. like the transmutations have a silent spot between them.  What are your system specs?  (please state them in your forum profile).

[Joe]

Follow the method in the post below, and you should be able to get the HiHat mapping for your hardware set up well:

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/fb.aspx?m=59160

[Joe]

ORIGINAL: MarcoM

semi-offtopic, is this a new feature of the td-12? I don’t remember seeing this in my td-10 (and I sure would like it!)

Not to further take this off-topic, but I’m reading that with interest to, because I’m of the belief that my TD-10 always sends the same Note Number for the snare rim, and that the synth on board the TD-10 varies the sound based on velocity (and has the relevant controls to change the layering thresholds).  It has been a while since I tested that, but that is what I remember when I recorded the MIDI data for this.  It makes sense though that a newer Roland module would improve upon that with regard to the MIDI output. I’ll test it again when I get a moment.

[Joe]

The Alesis Trigger iO is a MIDI triggering device only (Trigger-to-MIDI interface, or TMI).  It contains no sounds onboard.  You can hook it to computer in order to trigger Toontrack libraries, or you can hook it to any device that accepts MIDI (keyboard workstation, etc.).
 
A complete drum module (Roland, Yamaha, etc.) will contain a TMI, plus will have sounds, mixers, fx, etc. to make a complete drum system.  You can still use one of these modules as a TMI to trigger Toontrack libraries.  It is what many people do when they realize that the sounds of their module can not provide the quality they were hoping for.  I use an older Roland TD-10 to trigger dfh Superior and EZDrummer.

[Joe]

I’ve used EZDrummer with a TD-10, and know a few people in another forum who have used it with a TD-20.

Basically, it comes down to changing a few output MIDI Note numbers in the TD-20’s kit and tweaking the triggering parameters section until the response feels natural.  (all of this is achieved in the TD-20, the changing of MIDI Note numbers will only effect the currently selected kit in the TD-20 and you can tweak the trigger settings in an unused Trigger bank … if there is an unused one.).

Yes, the variable HiHat in the TD-x modules will control the variable EZDrummer hats (quite well, in fact).  Change the TD-20 output MIDI Note of the HiHat bow to 12 and the edge to 11 and that is all you should have to do.  (I’ve also heard that notes 9 and 8 respectively may be the way to go, try both combos).

[Joe]

ORIGINAL: Tony Enamel
It does send MIDI CC data (CC4). I can see it in Cubase when I record. Any thoughts?

I have my Alesis Trigger iO now, unfortunately I’m beginning to suspect I have a bum unit, but not because of the HiHat.  I’m having trouble in other areas, such as dual-zone(for both PP and PS type triggers) and getting a decent velocity curve out of nearly every trigger I own.  I can’t even get a Piezo/Switch to operate correctly (zone 2) and the Piezo/Peizo pads create simultaneous Head/Rim noises rather than being mutually exclusive.

Ironically, I was able to get the HiHat with continuous control (both a CY-12 with FD-7 and a VH-11 on an acoustic HH pedal) working decently, but not where I would say I would be happy (mostly due the reasons stated above I suspect).

I want to jump in and help, but not until I’ve figured out if I have a malfunctioning unit, or it is just my brain malfunctioning.   I haven’t confirmed anywhere yet that these do indeed function well with Roland CY Piezo/Switch and PD Piezo/Piezo pads to know what I am up against.

[Joe]

ORIGINAL: Rogue

this would indicate that the Alesis does not support continuous controller messages, which would be typical of alesis TMC devises

Everything I’ve read and heard so far (product manual, other demos and user comments) does indicate that a continuous controller is supported for variable HiHat pedal response.  But that the variable response is selectable as a config choice, it will also do On/Off.  I’ll know more soon, my Trigger iO is now on its way to me.

[Joe]

Very nicely done!

Question about the Trigger iO.  First, what hihat foot controller are you using, and second, how good is the range from tight through through the levels of closed/openess?

I have the Roland FD-7 with MIDI signal generated by the Roland TD-10 brain, and it goes from tight to open 4 a bit quick.  Getting though inbetween sounds is kind of tricky. (and I know it is the hardware itself, because it has the same behavior when I used to use the TD-10 for HiHat sounds).

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