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Hey Looney_Tooner
 
Thnx for that link, I was beginning to think that I was the only one here!
The mods said I was the only one complaining about this.
 
 
Please, please are there more people having this issue then  respond (kindly) to this thread, Maybe we could pursade Toontrack to hurry things up?
 
Best regards Dylan.

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Hello martin, thank you for the answers.
 
To add weight to why I myself would vouch for multible outputs in beatstation:
 
1) The possibility to use your own favourite reverbs and delays on single sounds. Now you can only bus the whole beatstation to a FX channel.
2) I myself use a lot of filterplugins as inserts to shape the sounds, mainly those of tone2. Also this I want to do on single sounds.
3) Mixing on the fly. If I am in front of the cubasemixer and I want to lower only the snare drum you would have to open the beatstation GUI.
4) If I could do that in the mixer I can also take a peek at the dB meter or an inserted analyzer on that channel.
5) using Batchexport in Cubase, so you can work with seperate waveforms in your downmix.
6) Muting/soloing sounds in the mixer on the fly.
7) sending a kick from beatstation with another kicksynth to a groupchannel for further processing.
 
All these items are a major part of my daily workflow.
 
Regards Dylan.

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I almost purchased it, but then I was told it has only one stereo output,
And that for a VST sampler. I can’t route it elegantly to my mixer.
 
I only use samples for drums so I now use the Groove agent one from Cubase.
If beatstation get more outputs I will definately buy it.
 
That it’s looking like a toy, I have to agree. The whole beatstationwebsite is also aimed at the new generation of producers I guess.
With all the bright colours, tutorials and I think they integrated some portion from EZmix, also not an in depth sonictool.
 
But given the price and the functionality of the interface (customizable and such), yeah, good product.

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ORIGINAL: Scott

The ouputs?

Currently, Beatstation has a single stereo output.

 
 
Currently ay?
 
Well I just have to wait then.
 
Anyway, thank you guys for your patience and replies, I will leave the subject alone now and hope my request will see the daylight in the near future.
 
Bye, Dylan. 
 

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Hello Scott.
 
Well case closed then.
I watched all the video’s and think it’s an awesome product.
I now use Grooveagent1, a simple MPC style sampler that ships with Cubase, for all my homebrewed samples, it’s a fun idea to make use of them in conjunction with Toontrack samples in one GUI. Then I just need one program/instrument to do all my drumprogramming. 
I would purchase this only to audition EZX. So all the other things are just bonus then for me.
 
But….(yes, I am so sorry for the but)
 
Only one thing I can’t find, not in the manual, beatstation forum or in the Video’s.
 
The ouputs?
 
Has every pad it’s own output? Or has Beatstation like 16 outputs you can configure? I shurely hope so otherwise I can’t do anything with it.
I keep my fingers crossed, if it has multible outputs, I will be a happy customer.
 
regards Dylan.

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ORIGINAL: Olle

I think you should have a look at Beatstation. Personally, I perceive it
as our solution for people who work the way you do.

/Olof W

 
Hello Olof,
 
thank you for the heads up.
I took a quick look. There is no trial version available so I’ll have to take the dive I guess.
 
For me important to know is if I purchase this product, will the samples from EZX electronic appear in the left collumn of beat station  and can I audition them before I drag them to a designated pad?
 
Regards Dylan.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: Whitten
maybe it’s something cultural, or a language issue?
 

 
I am Dutch, I really can’t know how my Englisch is coming accross, maybe I should use these damned emoticons to express my friendly behaviour while putting down negative thoughts . (But to be honest, I hate those yellow bastards)
 
Also I am an active  member on the Cubase forum, and over there things are a bit more bad to the bone I can tell you.
This forum is new to me, give me time to adapt.
 
I do have a strong opinion on this matter and this forum allows me to ventilate that. The forum rules explicitly say that I can share my thoughts negative or positive from a customer perspective. So that is what I do.
Most beautifull creations derive from struggle is my motto.
 
Regards Dylan.
 
 

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Hello everyone,
 
I sometimes work the other way around.
When I begin a project or starting a groove I browse for sounds. Sounddesign is an important element in my music. So for me the absence of a sample auditioner is a major workflow killer.
I am not talking about basic stuff like creating a beat using samples from a 808/909 kit.
It are all the circuitbend glitches, Atari/amiga noises and those electronic bleeps. I bought the EZX electronics package mainly for that purpose. And those samples have tones and timbres that I want to make ‘fit’ or ‘hover’over soundscapes. In order to do so it would be handy if I could browse through them while the project plays. Not playing a groove with Superior Drummer, just play the project and preview them over it.
 
Maybe this method is so off the grid that I stand alone in this, and therefor you may find my reaction over the top, but concider this if you will.
Besides the reason why I want a dedicated audition player I think Toontrack stuffed a big pile of samples (EZX electronics) in a sampleplayer that can’t handle that amount of content.
Obviously the player was intendet to play back virtual acoustic drumkits.
So this electronic drumsampling is a whole new game and things can go wrong, nothing to be ashamed of.
 
If that is not the case then explain me why so many samples are organized in simple folded dropdown boxes? Every single developer in the world would do it otherwise if they knew there was going to be so much samplemanagment.
 
But I am fairly confident that what I discribed above is absolutely the case, and then it’s only logical that I expect Toontrack to fix this breach in functionality.
 
Just my thoughts, no pun or harm intendet in anyway.
 
Regards Dylan.

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Hello Chris,
 

I made absolutely no comment on the validity of your request.

 
Well why didn’t you. I wanted to start a topic about this to innitiate a discussion.
To see if there are more people wanting to have a smoother sample managment.
Or input from people that disagree with me.
 
Fact remains that your workaround doesn’t work if you want to audition all sounds of EZX electronics as I explained in a previous post.lan.
 
Regards Dylan
 
 

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My account says I downloaded each update, and I install every update mostly right after downloading.
Where can I find my versionnumber?
 

Why would this feature request be given special treatment?

 
Because EZX electronics is on it’s basic level a sample library, and superior drummer is a sample player, those two should work good together.
If the samples are difficult to manage (which they are IMHO) then you almost miss the whole point of the product.
 
Before I continue my rant I want you to know that Superiordrummer is my goto drumsampler, The internal bouncing and internal mixing features are a big welcome to my workflow not to mention the quality of the samples. In case there will never be a dedicated auditioner I still will be very happy to use this software, heck, in the end I will know evey sample out of my head anyway.
 
And because every rule has it’s exeption I kind of hoped that this was one because it’s such an obvious flaw.
Don’t you agree that it could be better?
 
 

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ORIGINAL: Scott
 Toontrack plays it’s development cards very close to the chest.

 
Hello Scott,
 
How long is EZX electronics on the market. September 2009 or something?
Anyway, I bought it a month ago, and when I opened it, two things were inmediately apparent.
The slow way of sample browsing and the GUI always opens in standard view.
 
The opening in standard view, well with one mouseclick you can enter the classic view. But it would be neat if you could choose your default view, because in the classic view the pads are nametagged (kick, snare,….Hits 1 hits2….Xtra 3….Xtra 4 ….etc) Which is easy for reference if you work with drummaps.
(Nametagging the pads in standard view is also a solution, I really don’t care for cosmetics, I want functionality.)
 
The slow sample browser was really a pain though, The first thing I thought was that this had to be a hotfixworthy case. I imagened that everyone at Toontrack would see this as something obvious. Therefor I am totally flabbergasted that this issue isn’t officially adressed here on the forum.
Keeping your cards to the chest is something I can relate to, but I expected this issue to be the exeption on the rule.
 
I am not giving up,
I believe in strength in numbers, so if everyone chimes in with a +1 then things can be set in motion.
But so far it looks I am one of the few here.
 
C’mon people! Team up! We want a sample browser for EZX electronics!
 
Regards Dylan.  
 
 

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Hello Dave,
 
Actually I don’t want to start nitpicking about netiquette but somehow we have to.
I was in no way rude to Mr Whitten I have the right to feel insulted if someone is not taken my point seriously.
Also I guess he can speak for himself, and if he feels offended by my post then I will wholeheartedly give my apologize but I much rather discuss my problem with EZX electronics.
 
Because what I really want to know is if a dedicated sample auditioner is sceduled for superior drummer.
Could a developer (or a betatester who talked about this to a developer) explain me why there isn’t one in superior drummer 2.0 because EZX electronics has 41 pads with each of them a lot of samples.
 
Is this because the R&D team doesn’t consider this to be a necessity or because it’s difficult to implement, in other words, it’s a lot of work and therefor not on their agenda. All understandable, I just want to know where I stand that’s all.
And again, are there other users who feel the same or am I the only one having trouble with this?
 
Best regards Dylan.

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Hello Mr Whitten,
 
There are 41 drumpads in EZX electronics.
You suggest to create a drumloop and then audition in the construct page.
The trouble is that you somehow have to create a drumloop using 41 different sounds, because I want to be able (offcourse) to audition every sample in EZX.
 
your method enables me to only audition samples that are contained in the pads that are used in the loop, because you can’t drag samples between different pads.
This is in my view not a real clean and creative way to acces a sample library.
 
Thank you for your effort but quit frankly I am amazed that you are satisfied with this workaround.
 
Regards, Dylan.
 
 
 

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Hello Mr Whitten.
Did you really think I didn’t know how to work my way around a DAW?
I feel insulted by your replie.
 
It’s very clear that all previous products from Toontrack didn’t need a dedicated sample browser so the developers didn’t feel the need to construct one. With EZX electronics it’s the first time that one pad contains numerous samples that even can’t be displayed in one screen.  
I am not a programmer but I think that to audition a sample it must be loaded first into the construct page, cause the program doesn’t have a dedicated audition player. If that is true it’s totally understandable where the culprit lies. It would mean a lot of programming to do.
 
It’s 2010. computers are really fast and we want to work fast. 
and every serious sample player accomodate such a feature for browsing fast through the content.
 
I am shure that if the first EZ drummer had so many samples as EZX electronics it was constructed differently. Not with a simple dropdown box.
 
What also bothers me is that you are a betatester, is that just a title in this forum or are you actually testing the products? If the latter is true then why don’t you back me up on this one? Every tester would come up with this short coming.
 
And lastly your workaround? 20 samples per minute??
I work with mediabay and groove agent. I browse through sample libaries at a rate of two per seccond.
That is in fact 120 per minute.6 times faster then your method.
If you have 5000+ samples in your system you need a quick way to work with that, or do you see that differently?
 
I don’t want to start an argument, I rather want a replie from a developer explainig if it’s difficult to implement such a handy feature. And if it’s not difficult maybe they could throw the idea to the working table.
 
I also hope that I can rally other users to this cause.
So please leave a comment if you also want a better sample auditioner.
 
Greetings Dylan Siemerink.

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