Triggering SD3 with Roland TD-25 – volume too low….can’t get volume high enough to be usable

[Derek Schaaf]

Hi, I am triggering SD3 with my Roland TD-25 and...

Hi,

I am triggering SD3 with my Roland TD-25 and finding that the volume is way too low….can’t get output volume (either MacBook Pro of Focusrite 8i6) high enough to be usable. I have tried both USB out of the TD-25 into my MacBook Pro as well midi out of the TD-25 and into a focusrite 8i6 and then usb in MacBook. In both cases it is triggering the virtual instruments and I have volume maxed on the Mackbook pro and on the 8i6 but the output volume is super low. If however I click the virtual instrument with my mouse, it is SUPER loud. Any thoughts on how to increase the output???

Thanks,
Derek

Hi,

I am triggering SD3 with my Roland TD-25 and finding that the volume is way too low….can’t get output volume (either MacBook Pro of Focusrite 8i6) high enough to be usable. I have tried both USB out of the TD-25 into my MacBook Pro as well midi out of the TD-25 and into a focusrite 8i6 and then usb in MacBook. In both cases it is triggering the virtual instruments and I have volume maxed on the Mackbook pro and on the 8i6 but the output volume is super low. If however I click the virtual instrument with my mouse, it is SUPER loud. Any thoughts on how to increase the output???

Thanks,
Derek

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[Scott Eshleman]

@juicy said:

Yeah it should be way higher 127 to be exact, did you try adjust the Trig Sens on the pad in the module, Its just a tweak away, and sometimes needed.
Don’t expect that the Roland will convey the same velocity to an outside engine as it does with its own. Set some velocities up to 12-18 to get some oomph.  

Yes, exactly. To get suitable MIDI from the brain of our Roland TD-30, we had to make adjustments in its setup,
from either/both the Roland pads or from Roland Triggers sent from our DW acoustic kit.

[Olof Westman]

Derek Schaaf wrote:

>No response yet …

And I repeat myself:

This is our open E-drum workshop forum where you discuss making
your own drum pads and tweaking drum modules. Which might be
fine for your posts. But if you expect support for SD3 you should post
in the SD3 support forum:

https://www.toontrack.com/forum/superior-drummer-3-help/

Olof Westman - Toontrack
Coder

[Lukas Grumet]

hi again. at least for TD-30 (and most likely all Roland modules that have an USB port, i.E the TD-50) owners there seems to be an easy fix for the volume problem:
I’ve posted this in the latency thread as well because it also fixed my latency issue I had:

Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface). Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings. Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you’ve enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings), AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.
there you go. I get crystal clear, super loud sound with this method. (your headphones need to go into your TD-30 module jack of course)
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.

[Scott Eshleman]

@Lukas Grumet said:
Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface).
Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings.
Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you’ve enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings),
AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.

How were you connecting the TD-30 module to control SD3 previously?

[Lukas Grumet]

@Scott E said:

@Lukas Grumet said:
Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface).
Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings.
Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you’ve enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings),
AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.

How were you connecting the TD-30 module to control SD3 previously?  

5 Pin Midi into Scarlett Focusrite. Scarlett Focus rite into Laptop. Headphones in Scarlett Jack.

[David Mackey]

Guys it sounds like you are routing sd3 to TD50 over usb audio.. is that right? I did it this way and all kits were way too low until I boosted the usb audio gain in setup l midi page l usb tab. I mapped it to the song pot and can now easily boost the sd3 output on my headphones. Have you tried that?

[Derek Schaaf]

@Lukas Grumet said:
hi again. at least for TD-30 (and most likely all Roland modules that have an USB port, i.E the TD-50) owners there seems to be an easy fix for the volume problem:
I’ve posted this in the latency thread as well because it also fixed my latency issue I had:

Try connecting your Sound Module to your Computer via the USB port. (directly, not via an external interface). Fire up SD3, Open the Audio Midi settings. Select the TD30 as your midi device (make sure you’ve enabled midi usb in your TD30 module settings), AND select the TD30 as your audio (ASIO) device.
there you go. I get crystal clear, super loud sound with this method. (your headphones need to go into your TD-30 module jack of course)
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.  

Thanks for the info! What about on a MacBook Pro? Is there an ASIO driver option in the Mac OS… I was under the understanding that there wasn’t.

Thanks,
D

[rrosin]

@Lukas Grumet said:
btw the td30 also comes with a nifty ASIO driver with some settings to play with. just hit the ASIO button under audio device in SD3.  

I just did some tests with the Roland ASIO drivers and compared it to ASIA4ALL using WASAPI. With the Roland ASIO drivers the latency increases by 6 ms. I wouldn’t call this “nifty”.

Regards Reiner

[David Mackey]

@Derek Schaaf said:

Thanks for the info! What about on a MacBook Pro? Is there an ASIO driver option in the Mac OS… I was under the understanding that there wasn’t.

Thanks,
D  

You don’t need a special Asio driver on a Mac book pro. Or on any Mac. On your Mac search for the midi setup app. This will allow you to configure connected midi input and output devices

[Derek Schaaf]

@Peertwelve said:

You don’t need a special Asio driver on a Mac book pro. Or on any Mac. On your Mac search for the midi setup app. This will allow you to configure connected midi input and output devices  

Thanks!

[Derek Schaaf]

@Peertwelve said:

You don’t need a special Asio driver on a Mac book pro. Or on any Mac. On your Mac search for the midi setup app. This will allow you to configure connected midi input and output devices  

Hi, does this work with the TD 25 as well… Do you know? I have tried every possible combination that I can think of and I cannot get the sound to be routed through the TD 25 module when connected via USB to my MacBook Pro. The sound for only come out the MacBook Pro and not through the audio output of the TD25 itself. I saw in an earlier post it suggested to monitor SD3 through the drum module unit, in that case the TD 30.

Maybe the TD 25 is not capable of this but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks,
Derek

[David Mackey]

@Derek Schaaf said:

Hi, does this work with the TD 25 as well… Do you know? I have tried every possible combination that I can think of and I cannot get the sound to be routed through the TD 25 module when connected via USB to my MacBook Pro. The sound for only come out the MacBook Pro and not through the audio output of the TD25 itself. I saw in an earlier post it suggested to monitor SD3 through the drum module unit, in that case the TD 30.

Maybe the TD 25 is not capable of this but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks,
Derek  

Hi Derek. Sorry I don’t have a td25 so I don’t know if it works. If td25 supports usb audio then it should. Have you confirmed that you have td25 configured for midi output ? On your MacBook Pro go to System preferences / sounds / output / select td25. Do the same for the input

[Derek Schaaf]

@Peertwelve said:

Hi Derek. Sorry I don’t have a td25 so I don’t know if it works. If td25 supports usb audio then it should. Have you confirmed that you have td25 configured for midi output ? On your MacBook Pro go to System preferences / sounds / output / select td25. Do the same for the input  

Hi, thanks for your response. I just tested my MacBook Pro connected to the TD 25 via USB [which is the method I normally use] and went into the sound settings within the settings application within the MacBook. The TD 25 does not show up at all as an option to select for either input or output… it just shows the normal system option. I know when I have other devices what you’re referring to as they will show up as a connected device to use for input-output. I have tested this with of the driver options within the TD 25 itself, the first being the vendor or Roland driver and the second being the generic driver and neither show up.

Thanks,
Derek

[rrosin]

@Derek Schaaf said:

Hi, thanks for your response. I just tested my MacBook Pro connected to the TD 25 via USB [which is the method I normally use] and went into the sound settings within the settings application within the MacBook. The TD 25 does not show up at all as an option to select for either input or output… it just shows the normal system option. I know when I have other devices what you’re referring to as they will show up as a connected device to use for input-output. I have tested this with of the driver options within the TD 25 itself, the first being the vendor or Roland driver and the second being the generic driver and neither show up.

Thanks,
Derek  

Did you install the driver from the Roland support site? The TD25 has audio in and out via USB. MIDI may work with the generic MIDI driver, but USB audio needs the Roland driver.

Regards Reiner

[Derek Schaaf]

@rrosin said:

Did you install the driver from the Roland support site? The TD25 has audio in and out via USB. MIDI may work with the generic MIDI driver, but USB audio needs the Roland driver.

Regards Reiner  

Hi Reiner,

Thanks for your response. Yes I did download and install the Roland driver from their support site. For whatever reason my MacBook still does not see it as the input output audio device… Which is kind of strange.

Thanks,
Derek

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