Modern Vintage or Tape Drums sounds

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer...

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer 2, but I often find myself wanting deeper, lower tuned snares, other micing options, and the sweet tone and feel of tape. C&V 1 has been out for a while and I think Toontrack could use a new SDX in their library. Please, Toontrack, release a new “tracked to tape” version of the C&V SDX.

I am looking for vintage vibe/tone similar to C&V 1, but on steroids, basically. Here are my requests:

1.Keep the damped sound, using the same drums, studio, and drummer (as C&V 1) but with extras like more low tunings, tea towel drums(a bit more damped), and two different stick sizes(thick or jazzy).

2. Vintage console (API/Dalcon), and mics (wherever possible) tracked to TAPE!!!– Gotta have it! This is absolutely crucial. I think it’s one of the main reasons I love the drums on old records and albums, and I don’t think it’s just me. Have you noticed all of the interest in tape plugins?

3. Need more more soft snare hits and cross sticks.

This is primarily what I’m after:
This nails the exact sound I want. Listen to that punch!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=noSc9c3J_2Y

This(for the example of softer hits). Just look at this drummer. LOL. The grin on his face is priceless.:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIdIqbv7SPo

Here’s another good example of what I want:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y5_PQbYdtK8

I have posted my petition at Gearslutz, but I’ll ask here, too. Any of you ladies and gents that are after this sound and want Toontrack to release an SDX tracked to tape that is aimed at achieving these sounds, please, chime in! What do you say? Yea or nay?

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

Toontrack, I love and use C&V SDX for Superior Drummer 2, but I often find myself wanting deeper, lower tuned snares, other micing options, and the sweet tone and feel of tape. C&V 1 has been out for a while and I think Toontrack could use a new SDX in their library. Please, Toontrack, release a new “tracked to tape” version of the C&V SDX.

I am looking for vintage vibe/tone similar to C&V 1, but on steroids, basically. Here are my requests:

1.Keep the damped sound, using the same drums, studio, and drummer (as C&V 1) but with extras like more low tunings, tea towel drums(a bit more damped), and two different stick sizes(thick or jazzy).

2. Vintage console (API/Dalcon), and mics (wherever possible) tracked to TAPE!!!– Gotta have it! This is absolutely crucial. I think it’s one of the main reasons I love the drums on old records and albums, and I don’t think it’s just me. Have you noticed all of the interest in tape plugins?

3. Need more more soft snare hits and cross sticks.

This is primarily what I’m after:
This nails the exact sound I want. Listen to that punch!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=noSc9c3J_2Y

This(for the example of softer hits). Just look at this drummer. LOL. The grin on his face is priceless.:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tIdIqbv7SPo

Here’s another good example of what I want:http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=y5_PQbYdtK8

I have posted my petition at Gearslutz, but I’ll ask here, too. Any of you ladies and gents that are after this sound and want Toontrack to release an SDX tracked to tape that is aimed at achieving these sounds, please, chime in! What do you say? Yea or nay?

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

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[wagzisnotadrummer]

yes. Classic is on sale, but I don’t think I will buy it. I’ve been buying lots of Nebula programs lately, so they are kinda eating my funds. I wanna get some new filters a possibly the BXQ Baxandall Equalizer program, so I can’t justify getting The Classic, when I don’t think I will use it much. It sounds very good, though.

I spent the last hour or two watchin videos and listening to clips of Music City and The Classic. I almost bought both, but wanted a smaller room than Music City had and I liked The Classic, but I wanted rods or brushes. Both libraries were impressive.

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

[douglas]

What I was originally thinking, I think(?), is how interesting this thread is. It covers a lot of ground. I originally stumbled on it while trying to figure out what SDX to buy to complement the Avatar kit. Now, I’m wondering if I wouldn’t be better served by purchasing a producer pack and trying to figure out how to wring the full potential out of the Avatar stuff.

[wagzisnotadrummer]

ORIGINAL: dug dog
Now, I’m wondering if I wouldn’t be better served by purchasing a producer pack and trying to figure out how to wring the full potential out of the Avatar stuff.

Getting the most out of the tools you already have seems like a good decision, I think. I believe that you’ll probably be happy adding a producer pack, as long as you like the “unprocessed” sounds in the Avatar kit for your tunes. For me, the “unprocessed” C&V SDX sounds closest to the sound I have in mind for my music. So, I am hoping to wring every last drop of magic that I can out of C&V.

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

[Jay Coover]

Try this combined preset. In the spirit of the request here, my attempt anyway.

http://www.jaycoover.com/stuff/Tight_n_Dry_CV (like romanp’s funk examples)
Save in your C&V combined presets folder.

To take it really old school, go to the out 1/2 channel and move both panners to center 0 (mono)

Best,
fizbin

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[Nathan]

Not in front of my workstation, Fizbin; what extension should that combined preset have please?

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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.

[John]

They do not have any extensions, just right-click and save it to your Desktop.
Go to the Combined Presets menu and select ‘Manage in Finder/Explorer’.
This opens up a Finder/Explorer window.
Drag from your Desktop to the Combined Presets (User) folder.
Now you can select it in the Combined Presets>User Presets.

John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Jay Coover]

That preset is probably closer to Romanp’s examples than wagzisnotadrummer’s.

There’s a snare in C&V that is pretty close to what wagz wants – a big fat one, pretty dry, very little ring but substantial snare. I might try another preset for that.

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[Nathan]

Thank you John, and thank you also, Fizbin.

I ended up getting the Pop EZX just for the additional percussion -you and your claves!

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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.

[Jay Coover]

OK, spent some more time trying to get the approximate sounds in the examples. Keep in mind, I’m not a pro, and the best I can do is get close on some accounts. Sometimes you can try too hard to turn one sound into another and completely destroy what you have. I hope I did not do that.

For wagzisnotadrummer. The Beck sound approximation.
http://www.jaycoover.com/stuff/Tuned_Down_dampened

For romanp. Funky vinyl approximation.
http://www.jaycoover.com/stuff/Tight_n_Dry_CV

Right click. Save As. Drop them in the Custom and Vintage combined presets folder.

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[wagzisnotadrummer]

thanks, fizbin! It’s really cool that you took the time to make these presets and share them here. Keeping with this same spirit of giving,here’s one I made yesterday. I was going for natural, dry, and fat.
http://rapidshare.com/files/1105259606/wagz_dry_fat_1

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

[Jay Coover]

Thanks wagz! I tuned the snare back up on the Phat snare preset. I think it’s much closer now.

Would be nice if there were a way here where we could upload presets and keep them categorized by sample library.

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[wagzisnotadrummer]

yeah, that’s a good idea. It would be nice to have a user preset area.

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

[Scott]

Like here?

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=61265

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Jay Coover]

ORIGINAL: Scott

Like here?

http://www.toontrack.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=61265

Close, how about a dedicated part of the forum, where each library is delineated somehow. Rule is, one preset per thread, with descriptive title.

That way, I can just go through the C&V section for instance, and ignore sections for libraries that I don’t have.

One preset, plus any variations on that preset per thread, plus a descriptive title keeps it even easier to find stuff, and keeps discussions relevant, rather than dumping everything in one thread.

That would be fairly large in size perhaps, but really useful. Oh, and would need to allow small attachments, just like in the support section.

fizbin

SD 2.3 NY vol 2/Metal Foundry/C & V/Roots 1 & 2/Music City Latin Percussion/Funkmasters/The Classic/Jazz/Pop!/#1 Hits/Electronic/Twisted/Claustrophobic EZKeys 1.1 with all the trimmings

[wagzisnotadrummer]

Thanks for pointing that thread out, Scott. Unfortunately, most of the presets that I tried to download are dead links. It would be nice to have a dedicated, archived, user-friendly Superior Drummer User Presets Area. Can we get something similar to this going?

http://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets.php

http://soundcloud.com/blackdaddywarbuxxx

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