[robertgeorge]

Got Joe Kings project file which included his midi set up. i think my Hi Hat is working as well as anyones (fair to midland IMHO) but want to be sure. Ij you folks would be so kind to please LISTEN to the sound of the open edge verses bow and tell me if you hear any difference. It sounds like the same sample to me. The only time I hear a tip sound at all is when the hi hat is closed. The rest sounds like edge sounds. This is NOT how a hi hat plays/sounds. You should be able to get open TIP sounds right? Can anyone hear the difference between the open edge and tip when they play?

Thanks guys

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[robertgeorge]

Ok folks it turns out that the TD-20 can put out 5 notes for all the HH articulations BUT it doesn’t do it as part of the factory default. And if you change it and record midi from the TD-20 and try and play back WITH the TD-20 it won’t give you any closed edge sounds. The TD-20 HH works best when receiving midi with just two notes.

Anyway to change this to work with external Romplers HH you have to go to Setup – Midi – HH Note # Border and change the value to something between 80-100 for it to put out separate open and closed notes for tip and edge. So now I was able to map the other two notes to the articulations and expected things to sound and work better. Still doesn’t sound or work well. The closed tip sounds VERY much like the edge on open and closed and there’s still errant open pedal sounds. And it’s nearly impossible too get a tight closed sound and dynamics even after adjusting the sensitivity for the HH pad.

Any other suggestions guys?

The rest of S2 is great and I’m loving it – just hope the HH gets more attention.

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[robertgeorge]

Thanks very much for your help Rouge and I’m really trying to solve this problem for me and others and do not mean to disagree BUT the TD-20/VH-12 puts out the same 2 notes D0 and A#1 (and only those 2) regardless if it is open or closed. It uses CC4 to tell the TD-20 if it is open or closed but uses only those 2 notes for the bow/edge. I have both tip/ring/sleeve cables connected and it’s working perfectly. I’m looking right at the midi notes on my screen. When I record ALL the different hi hat articulations from the TD-20/VH-12 and play them back FROM my TD-20 they ALL play back perfectly (bow,edge, closed and open pedal) So I know it’s putting out (and receiving) the correct midi data. When I try and follow your directions (thanks for the detail) and get to trying to map the closed edge and tip – S2 will not take a second instance of those same 2 note numbers D0 and A#1) I guess Roland changed this in the TD-20. (do you have a TD-20/VH-12 to test this?) Hopefully is shedding some light on the problem.

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[robertgeorge]

Did this to the letter and couldn’t get it to work. The TD-20 VH-12 only uses 3 notes not 5 so when you try to map the closed bow and edge it puts out the same 2 notes and S2 want 2 different notes. Hope someone can straighten out what you need to do differently to get the TD-20/VH-12 to work cause I’ve tried it 10 times and no go.

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[robertgeorge]

My sentiments exactly Plink. I need to use S2 in Nuendo and you said everything i have said in another e-mail to Toontrack. I’m disappointed because I really expected the kind of performance that the Namm show video displayed and I can’t get close to that even WITH Toontrack solo. I wish I could find out how Nir-Z pulled that off. He was using a TD-20. The pads are limited by the Brain and shouldn’t make that much difference from the Roland pad I would think.

The sounds are all great in S2 (except the hi hats – too dull) seems very stable and the room ambiance’s are brilliant but lest get the e-drum thing going!!!

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[robertgeorge]

John,

This is using S2 in Nuendo 3.21 on a Mac G5 OSX 4.8. I need to use it this way not in Toontrack Solo. I have previously recorded midi tracks from my TD-20 that i want to trigger S2 samples. I track audio (other instruments) and midi from a TD-20 live into nuendo. I then need to replace the TD-20 sounds with the better ones from S2. Mainly I need a detailed set up for the hi hat please and anything else you can provide. I have mapped the toms and cymbals and i think the snare is right (don’t know for sure). There are many extra articulations.

Could also use some help on mapping the after-touch from the Roland Cymbals to mute the S2 Cymbals.

Come on guys this seems to be “THE” sampler for e-drummers.

You guys had this working 5 months ago at NAMM triggering every little nuance from a TD-20. Can’t you just share that with us? 🙂

Thanks for hanging in on this John

P.S. I did try it with Toontrack Solo with the E-drum controller and TD-20 preset and CC offset and it still wasn’t working nearly as good as what I saw in your Namm video. Somethings are definitely not right here. It was just kind of sloppy.

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[robertgeorge]

John,

I saw the thread and did what the old manual said and the hi hats are not working well. I’m getting random open pedal sounds even though I have no note number assigned to the open pedal and I can barely get a closed tip sound. I have to really step on the Roland Hi Hat pedal extremely hard to get any kind of closed tip. My settings on my roland are factory settings.

Also, what do i do with all the other bell articulations ect? I removed all note assignments except for the Trigtip and Trigedge. Sure wish you have a midi template ready. Can’t you get one from Nir-Z? I bought this program SOLELY for the e-drum support. Feeling a little unsuported right now though

Thanks John

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