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Muellercraft126. You always have to leave a little room to crank it.
But seriously, I find that the character of the individual kit components changes a lot across the velocity spectrum. A crash cymbal at 80 is practically a different instrument from the same crash at 120. I don’t play the types of music you describe, so I don’t have any specific recommendation, but for my stuff (prog rock, new wave pop) I generally target 80-105 as the baseline velocity. Fills and snare hits that I want to emphasize go to somewhere between 110 and 120. Bridge sections I often back off into the 60-80 range.
All that said, if I were working on a thrash project I’d probably target something like 110-120 as a baseline. I’d want the flexibility to push it in certain places.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftSorry, I misunderstood ‘brass.’ You’re talking strictly about the cymbals. When you say ‘smear’ do you mean in a time sense or frequency sense? That is, are you losing the attack definition on individual hits or are the overtones blending together in such a way that the individual cymbals aren’t differentiated? If it’s timing, could it be a latency issue? That might explain why live sounds fine but it doesn’t sound the same in the DAW.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftWhat DAW are you using? What brass? When you solo the brass does it sound right? What about the drums in isolation? You may have a mixing issue more than an SD3 issue. There is a lot of overlap in the brass high harmonic frequencies and the cymbals. Are you compressing the drum bus in the DAW? What sort of brass arrangement is it? (i.e rhythmic hits or drawn out notes.) How much reverb are you using and where (i.e. individual tracks, bus submix. main bus)?
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftI don’t own it, but I assume you use it the same way as any other SDX. Open up SD3, click on the drums tab, go over to the library tab, click on it and choose the expansion pack you want.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
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Thanked by: TroemmelchenMuellercraftWhen you say you like the sound you’re getting out of SD3 do you mean you like the fully produced stereo bus output? And when you say you want to convert individual tracks to audio, what ‘individual tracks’ are you talking about? Specific instruments? Busses? Sub-mixes?
If you are happy with the ‘sound’ you’re getting out of SD3 I’m assuming that means the whole drum mix. And if you like the sound of the whole drum mix why wouldn’t you simply leave it as is, or print the stereo drum mix to a drum track in your DAW if you want an audio file there rather than a MIDI track?
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftGetting the signal from the SPD to your computer shouldn’t be a problem. You could try the MIDI through approach Jack mentioned, or you could connect the SPD directly to your computer using another USB or Thunderbolt port. I’m pretty sure you could also bring up two iterations of SD3 in your DAW and assign the SPD to a second iteration. Getting one iteration of SD3 to recognize input from both the TD17 and an SPD as signals to control one large kit — I would think it can be done, but probably means a lot of manual programming of MIDI to get each pad matched to the instrument you want.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftI’m still having difficulty visualizing the issue for you. When you say ‘merge’ are you talking about two segments of MIDI joined together tail to head? Or two segments of MIDI overlapping each other and both making sounds? Are you using the groove tab or the drum tab in SD3? Is the problem occurring in the SD3 workspace or in Logic’s workspace?
It is possible in both SD and Logic to slide MIDI segments together, overlap them or keep them apart.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftIn what context are you experiencing ‘song parts merging on their own.’ Are you talking about constructing a drum kit track within SD or within a DAW track? Are you using grooves from the SD browser?
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftYou probably don’t need any expansions at all. The core library has plenty of kits that should meet the need. Which dry kit you prefer will be highly personal. For most new projects I generally start with a Yamaha kit.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftYou should be able to adjust the pad midi sensitivity for each articulation of each instrument in the ‘drum’ tab. You could also try a different hi-hat in SD. After hits are recorded you can adjust one or all of them in the ‘tracker’ tab.
Alternatively, you can adjust them in your DAW, but that can be laborious.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
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Thanked by: Scott EshlemanMuellercraftMy favorites are in user presets. Generally I take one of the stock kits that sounds pretty close to what I want, tweak it and save it.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
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Thanked by: Scott EshlemanMuellercraftWhy are you listening through the Roland module? You should be listening to SD3 output from your computer (ideally through an interface.)
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftThe main SD3 package comes with a huge library of drums and MIDI. As Tom says, it takes a LONG time to download. The application itself is about 230 gigabytes. The core library is 235 gigabytes. If you got several SDX expansions you probably have another 50-100 gig of sounds and MIDI to download. Set aside a large chunk of time and follow the directions.
From the installation instructions:
“Due to the size of the library and to ensure that each customer freely can decide in what capacity he or she wants to utilize the source material, the product is configured in six (6) convenient download packages. Start by installing the software and then add each package in sequence as you go.”
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
Muellercraft.com
SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftI have Hansa and I use it a lot. There is a nice variety of rooms and kits. I tend to use the ‘marble room’ and sometimes ‘vocal booth’ for a really dry sound. I like the China type cymbal in the marble room. I tend not to use the ‘live room’ and ‘Meistersaal’ simply because they aren’t right for the type of music I record.
Indiependent has some nice dry sounds for small kits.
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
MuellercraftAre you trying to record, or just play?
I have the TD17KVX driving SD3 into Logic Pro. (You’re right that the stock kits in the Roland are not in the same class as SD3.) I run the Roland brain directly into my computer which is a fully loaded Mac Studio Ultra. Lots of computing power helps. Even so, I use Logic’s ‘low latency mode’ when recording MIDI to the DAW. There is still a very slight latency, but it’s not a big obstacle. As I recall when I set it up the SD3 preset for the TD17 MIDI needed a slight amount of tweaking. I can’t remember exactly what I changed, unfortunately, but I think it had to do with cymbal triggering. Sensitivity and so forth can obviously be adjusted. None of that should affect raw latency, though.
I’m guessing that your problem is either an underpowered computer or something in the latency settings. Finding and adjusting the latency settings is much cheaper than replacing the computer. But rest assured that the TDK17KVX and SD3 can and do work together very well when configured appropriately.
Muellercraft
SD3 3.3.6
Mac Studio Ultra (M1)
Apollo Twin X
Logic Pro 11.1.2
OSX 14.6.1
Roland TDK17KVX
Muellercraft
Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
Muellercraft.com
SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors
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