Hi-hat, ride, cymbals.

[william Ibe]

Hey all!!  I’m kind of newer to this style of recording.  But I have the Roland Td27kv2 and triggering sd3 for my kit of course.  I’m using the fields of rock live kit. But no matter what kit I use the hi-hats , ride, cymbals , seem to wash/blurry the brass in general.  I’m unsure how to get the “Brass” to sit naturally in the song. Is there any tricks or certain hihats , rides, cymbals I should use? It’s driving me crazy.  PLEASE HELP.  Sd3, fields of rock, rock warehouse,rock foundry, and I plan on purchasing the legacy rock tonight.   Any and all help is 100% appreciated.  Thank you.

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[YodasDad]

Hi William,

I don’t play a drum kit to trigger SD3, but if I were having that problem, I would move to the SD3 mixer window and try a few things.

1) bring down the levels on the high hats.

2) the cymbals and rides are picked up from the Overhead and the ambience or room mics channels. Try bringing down the levels on those channels.

3) a more advanced technique would be to explore individual drum channel bleeds to see if something like the top snare or rack and floor toms bleed is picking up the cymbals from the Overhead of room channels. but start with the first two.

good luck!

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• This post was modified 1 week ago by YodasDad.

[william Ibe]

My bad. I should have added that.  I have tried to adjust faders for HH, ride, room mics and eq, and compression in sd3 mixer window.   It just doesn’t seem right.  Driving me crazy.

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[Muellercraft]

What DAW are you using?  What brass?  When  you solo the brass does it sound right?  What about the drums in isolation?  You may have a mixing issue more than an SD3 issue.  There is a lot of overlap in the brass high harmonic frequencies and the cymbals.  Are you compressing the drum bus in the DAW?   What sort of brass arrangement is it?  (i.e rhythmic hits or drawn out notes.)  How much reverb are you using and where (i.e. individual tracks, bus submix. main bus)?

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Muellercraft

Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
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SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors

[william Ibe]

Well I have 2 different situations. #1 td27 USB goes to my main recording multitrack studio.  Using Logic Pro  no reverb. It seems no matter what Hh, ride , or cymbals I use, it seems to be a struggle to make it sound natural. No compression in any daw or any fx. Im am referring to the actual recording right from sd3 itself.

#2 system is my Live Rehearsal rig. I go midi out of my td27 to midi/usb interface to MacBook m1, I run sd3 in standalone, then usbc to my Allan heath qu-5 and all the other instruments guitar, bass, 2 vocals, lead into the qu-5 as well. I’m running 2 isolated mixes from the board. 1 stereo usb mix, which records in audacity. So after rehearsal I can quickly airdrop the live songs straight to everyone’s cell phone. And  the other mix is the headphone amp stereo mix which goes to the Presonus hp60 with “more me” direct inputs so each musician can get their own independent mix.    So the drum kit Tom’s, snare, kick in the stereo mix sounds good. But the brass seems to smear., doesn’t sound this way live.  Which is weird.   Anyways this is my set up. I’m trying to dial this dual situation set up with the same kit and settings and get it right before a huge recording session.  Which is next. Thank you for your response.

[Jordan Chilcott]

The bottom line is that you are dealing with recorded drums and not live drums. They are also deemed as mixed ready, which means that you will have to apply some form of processing in order to make your cymbals and high hats fit in the overall mix. as to what you will need will depend on everyone else in the overall mix.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

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[Muellercraft]

Sorry, I misunderstood ‘brass.’  You’re talking strictly about the cymbals.  When you say ‘smear’ do you mean in a time sense or frequency sense?  That is, are you losing the attack definition on individual hits or are the overtones blending together in such a way that the individual cymbals aren’t differentiated?  If it’s timing, could it be a latency issue?  That might explain why live sounds fine but it doesn’t sound the same in the DAW.

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Muellercraft

Composer, performer, producer
Black & Whyte Studio
Muellercraft.com

SD3, Rooms of Hansa, Indiependent, Roland TD-17 KVX, Mac Studio M1 Ultra, UA Apollo Twin X, HEDD Type 20 monitors

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