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[rallyboy101]

Thanks ZE.

the first guitar is just meant to be a little sort of taster-/effect, then the main guitar comes in. If I have two playing the same parts I usually pan different to give width and thicken it a bit.

yeah I’m happy with drums, particularly the snare. One thing I’ve noticed is how different the same snare can sound in amongst the different parts of the song, where different parts etc are getting played, so EQ is changing etc.

Have you tried copying your vocal track, compressing each vocal track, and putting a short reverb on one and a long reverb on the other yet?

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here’s a remix I’ve done, and I’ve used/tried a bit of parallel compression on parts of the drum kit, amongst a host of other things that I can’t remember.

Is it beginning to sound a bit over the top?! I can’t make my mind up.

[rallyboy101]

Thanks for listening and comments ZeroEmpire.

I used the pop/rock expansion, which gives two mics on the snare. So i blended them, and bussed them to a channel, EQ’d and compressed with 1176. Probably the sound you like is a bit of spring from the bottom of the snare mic and the character of the 1176, it gives a bit of Snap.

Guitars i used Line 6 pod box.

Bass i used two channels, on as a DI, and the other through Ampeg SVT plug in. Again bussed together etc etc like snare.

Bass at 2.58 was spur of the moment lol………….bass players don’t like being idle!

From memory my vocal chain is:

De’esser

Cambridge EQ

LA20 compressor

1176 compressor…… (yes i use two compressors! i wanted vocals right in your face)

EMT140 plate Reverb.

I also have a send going to a room reverb with a totally different time on it, this makes the vocal sound bigger.

Yeah there’s cowbell 8) and wind chimes to give a bit of sparkle entering the Choruses.

There’s also a reversed lead guitar playing from 3.17ish to fatten it up…..and i used a bit of automation on it /volume and panning.

Hope that might give you some idea!

Here’s another i done recently you might like where i’ve used similar plugs/techniques.

• This post was modified 5 years, 5 months ago by rallyboy101.

[rallyboy101]

Thanks for listening Henrik.

I actually done backing vox for the last chorus lines, but took them out as i wanted to try personalize the song again, i.e. with single vocal up front.

Thanks again.

 

[rallyboy101]

Hi, i’m thinking of moving from EZD2 to Superior 3.

Just now i have used the Pop/Rock expansion on some older projects in Cubase.

From what i’ve read these expansions are compatible with SD3?

So, if i installed SD3 and have EZD2 and expansions installed, what Toontrack version will open up when opening my older music projects?

If i have to manually change the VSTi from EZ2 to SD3, will i be starting from scratch again regarding mixer settings etc?

 

Thanks

 

 

[rallyboy101]

Thanks for listening and commenting Brad.

The trumpet was my attempt at creating a bit of the feeling of TAPS at US military funerals that i had seen on TV.

I wrote it in about 30mins and had Rev1.0 an hour or so later! (great when that happens and so much easier when no drums are involved.)

Thanks again.

[rallyboy101]

Hi Dan, my songs are never “finished”! lol

Just listening just now, and yeah the key’s are sitting nicer i think, sideways and they sound back a touch too.

i think i’d maybe bring a tambo in on the choruses,

in at 0.49’s
out at 1.01

in at 1.36
out at 1.47 or keep it running through solo / until last verse?

You should clean up the first half second of the recording too, so that it comes in nice and sharp/clean.

Honestly, i really like this song and i think you should get it mastered by a pro when it’s done, it will sound great.

Here’s a song that i think will give you the flavour of what the the mastered version would be like…… listen to the sparkle from the top end and stuff cut out the snare to make it snap a bit. I should be taking my own advice too but there’s no point at the moment really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNKfLINJJ-U

or send me the file and i’ll have a go at it for you.

[rallyboy101]

Thanks for the comments Dan, and glad you liked the song. I’ll never be offended by anyone’s comments.

What’s BGV? lol ……. the symbols?

Yeah, i could run away with a guitar on vibrato in the middle section, but want to try something else first to add a bit more colour, but i might end up doing guitar, i also think it would fit good.

I hear you on the morse code at the end, but i did it like that so that the song was finished, but the morse hung on a little longer, so that it sort of brought the beginning of the song/feeling back (and being lost/morse code etc etc……probably doesn’t make sense, but i know what i mean! lol

Thanks again.

[rallyboy101]

Thanks for listening Dan.

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Also, don’t upgrade until your existing songs/projects are 100% complete, because if you’ve used a different kit from EZ2 and don’t have the relevant expansion your mixes will be screwed.

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I would say yes it is worth it.

I’m not sure why but my EZ2 mixes seem to have a bit more clarity about the drums compared to EZ1.

I wouldn’t buy it on the strength of finding exactly what patterns and more importantly for me fills that you are after, as even with the fill pack i still struggle to find exactly what i’m looking for

I’ve actually just bougth a cheap elec kit to do my own fills with, and rigged it up to cubase/EZ2 without any major drama, quite a bit of editing required though to get it all knitting and sounding like a drummer, due to velocities etc.

But as i say, the basic kit sounds are really good., and it’s also quite easy to use. Could be better though with some adjustment, especially for Cubase users.

[rallyboy101]

Drums sound good.
Not sure about the bass guitar at all (sorry), it just sits way too out there for me and not good. It sounds far too chunky/pleccy (and off time at bits?) I think you should tame it a fair bit (especially when vox are on) and go for a bit of a U2 With or without you bass sound….more rounded and compressed?

You could maybe even sidechain it with the drums somehow to get them pumping together?

Keep at it.

[rallyboy101]

Hey Dan.

I’m just listening to it on the decent cans, and yeah i think it’s got better, i can hear the bass and warmth now.

Constructive critisim ( and only my opinion)

I still think you need the (non acoustic) guitars are sitting too panned and need routed to a group track and a stereo enhancer put on them, for me they are just a tad too wide.

Also think the acoustic should be brought into the middle a bit.

Also now that it’s coming together a bit more (IMO), I think you should get the vocals and backing vocals better (sorry) To me they sound sonically good, and the flavour is also great, i just think they could be better. I’d maybe even ask your bro to try do the back vox to add a bit more colour.

Think big! the song is really good and I can see the song appealing to a lot of people.

p.s. I hope you aren’t expecting too much from me when you hear any of mine! lol, i’m a good critic!

Keep at it.

[rallyboy101]

Really good, and i really like it.

(Reminded me of Shane MacGowan! lol)

Constructive criticism…..

Main Vocal, seems a tad too dry and too upfront….. and are you using a compressor at all? (the very end vox seems a smidgen loud i think too)

Try a bit of plate reverb with a bit of pre delay to sit it back a smidgen.

(i’d also try doubling/copying the “main” vocal track and putting two different reverb times on them and see if you like it or not.)

I’d sit your 2nd vocal back in the mix with a longer pre delay on the reverb, and darken the reverb, or use a hall, so it sounds darker.

On your output bus put a stereo enhancer on, it sounds too stereo as is, the SE will melt it all together.

Then get it mastered by a pro.

Love the sound of the keys.

Where’s the bass? sounds a bit low? programmed or played?

Really good song and playing… listened to it about 4 or 5 times.

Keep it up.

[rallyboy101]

Most of the hosts will prob have a multi-band, I use Cubase 5 and it has one, but I use UAD cards and have their multi-band. I think Waves will do one. Just start one on a mastering preset and take it from there.

I’m from UK.

I’ve got a YouTube channel with some older stuff on it but I’ll post a link to some recent stuff when I get something finished, I’ve not long started tinkering again ??

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