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[drumjack52]

Brad wrote:

Frameshifter wrote:

I don’t want to have to download the libraries for...

I don’t want to have to download the libraries for the SDX files again.  They are all located within a single folder on a ssd.  How do I do this?  I did this once before and I had to download and reinstall every library (I own almost all of them)  I do not want to have to do this again and I assume there must be a way.

Thanks for any assistance.

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Operating system: Windows 11

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I don’t want to have to download the libraries for the SDX files again.  They are all located within a single folder on a ssd.  How do I do this?  I did this once before and I had to download and reinstall every library (I own almost all of them)  I do not want to have to do this again and I assume there must be a way.

Thanks for any assistance.

Reply To: Installing Superior Drummer 3 to a new machine (How to?) version: 3.3.6
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Hi there,

Using Toontrack Product Manager, download and install Superior Drummer 3 (just the application/plug-in). Authorize via Product Manager.

Start SD3, it will complain that there are no sample libraries and give you the option to navigate to the folder on your SSD.

You can either, authorize each SDX as you select them in SD3 or authorize them all in Product Manager.

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Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

I don’t think that will work in the op’s case. He’s installing on a new machine and he has the library downloads stored on an ssd. The Product Manager won’t see that ssd and expects to download everything once again and that’s what the op doesn’t want to do. There’s no obvious way to tell the PM to look at the ssd. It’s like I downloaded the surround and height surround files for SD3 and didn’t want to install them at initial install. If I want to install them I have to download those two large files again from the net.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
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[drumjack52]

Ken Spence wrote:

Wow, what a great pissing contest this has been, I am older I’ve done more than you you’ve done more than me. Oh, my freaking God boys really!

I see two issues here.

1. did the libraries get moved and stored on external hard drive?
2. does superior drummer function correctly in standalone, and then inside of a daw?

Now if option one and two are met, does it really matter what your cash file size or system overflow file size or …………matter? Really!!!!

Does it work in your daw and does it work in standalone?

Are the files stored where are you want them?

let the operating system take care of its self, and leave it alone

and that is my $.10 worth

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Exactly. I think the OP has 2 issues. The first is basic knowledge of how things work with SD3 (and MacOS for that matter). And the second is his obsession over the size of the system file folder. A lot of the malarkey could have been avoided if Janne had given us accurate info to begin with as to what the actual problem is. Like you say if it works in standalone and Logic then the rest is much ado about nothing.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

And, by the way, my experience of all of this is that none of you were right…and most of you were also very snobbish in their way of “trying” to help…so I return were I started…with, in my (and the Apple supports) opinion that it IS a very large amount of system data……The REAL answer is yet to be discovered when Apple decides to reveal their “system data information” instead of hiding it..

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I don’t know how much more plainly I can state this: the amount of system data you showed in one of your screenshots (259 gig IIRC) is not excessive but normal.

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Jack
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Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

No it doesn’t! I thought you’ve read my earlier posts….the name of my external drives are…”Janne Laci” and “Superior Drummer”….so perhaps you should take a closer look.

I just did take a closer look and  nowheres in your posts did you say what the external drives were named.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Ok, well this forum really seems like some kind of competition for little boys rather than where we all share our knowledge in a nice way. Perhaps it is not that crazy…but why didn’t someone in here of all the “besserwissers” and “know it alls” tell me so in the first place??? Oh well….or even better…. why isn’t it possible to se what the system-file contains of…then non of this would have to happen and take up our valued time on this earth…But that’s for Apple to answer…and they won’t….no one in Apples support told me that this isn’t an extremely large amount of system file data….now why is that, you think? The redirected me over here…wich I realise was a big mistake…I m outta here. Thank you and bye bye

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We tried to help you but you just didn’t understand what was asked of you. As to the amount of system data as I wrote earlier that’s NOT an outsized amount of data. My system has roughly the same amount of system data as you. You’re obsessing over something you have little control over. Now if you would move the sample files all over to one external drive then you’ll have more breathing room on your internal system drive.

Reply To: I’m having trouble with extremely large system data file version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Is this the one, perhaps?

Exactly. And by that it shows you have the samples files installed on your internal system drive.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Ok….tried to delete them but I don’t know…. I don’t really get what you mean if it’s not the path in the Product manager you want a screenshot of. It pretty much shows exactly where Ive downloaded and installed SD3, doesn’t it+

What Jord wants is a screenshot of the page in SD3 that shows the file locations. Go to the settings tab at the top of the SD3 gui and select libraries/path

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Come on now Jack….I wrote 300 or so….didn´t I? If not…does it really matter? Why don’t you have a look for yourself at the screen with the System Data file….Instead of trying to find issues with my way of posting, try to solve my dilemma instead…I can post you all the screenshots you want, just tell me.

You’ve been asked for screenshots and haven’t provided the ones requested – see Jord’s response above. Yes it does matter as we can’t give accurate answers without accurate data from you.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Hello Brad!
Thanks a lot for reaching out!
I actually found some files there, which shouldn’t be there. That was a great tip…Still stuck though with crazy amount of “System Data”.

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That amount of system data is NOT crazy. I have roughly the same amount of system data on my Mac here as you do. Don’t worry about that amount as there’s precious little you can do about it except to possibly delete programs. Evidently you don’t quite understand the MacOS all that deeply.

Reply To: I’m having trouble with extremely large system data file version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Ok, this is the kind of more concrete help that might help…I will not even get in to the competition regarding who’s done this and that…It seems like we both been around for a while…

Sending a screen of my download-folder.

I don’t understand what you mean with: “You shouldn’t have system files in that folder”. Which folder are you talking about…Do you mean the download-folder?

Exactly. No system files in the downloads folder. And your screenshot doesn’t agree with what you posted earlier in this thread with a supposed 400 gig or so of files there in your downloads folder. We’re getting completely different stories from you.

Reply To: I’m having trouble with extremely large system data file version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Aha, so in what way exactly should I set up the installer? And how do you know that you’ve been doing “this” (exactly what?) a LOT longer than me? I was born 1968 and have been working professionally as a musician in Sweden since I was 18 years old. Started creating and mixing in the box when Atari launched their first sequencer. is that long enough or are you going to keep on with this insulting-game? I thought this was a forum for grown-ups…By the way, do you work at Toontrack? If not….thank you for trying to “help”, but no thanks.

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I was born in 1952. Been working with computers since before the first Apple computer. Knew the two Steves (Jobs and Wozniak). Been both sides of the glass since the early 70’s. Analog and digital so I’ve seen it all and then some. And WAY before your time. Done more than my share of programming and debugging systems. So I think I know what I’m talking about.

How about giving us a full screen shot of what’s in your download folder? As to how to setup the installer it doesn’t take an Einstein or degree in computer science. It’s obvious you’re doing something wrong and may not even know it. You shouldn’t have system files in that folder. I have a 1TB ssd system drive that is only a third full. Pro Tools 2021.6, SD3, Digital Performer 9.x, a boatload of plugins and other software. Yet just about 330gig used. All samples on a separate 2 TB ssd in the card cage (2012 Mac Pro desktop). Never even came close to what you’re having an issue with. That’s why I ascribe it to either pilot error or not knowing exactly how to configure things. I bet if I sat with you I’d have it sussed out in less than 5 m inutes.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Ehh,…In exactly what way do you mean I don’t know what Im doing? Besides all the ways Ive tried to get rid of system data (I also have Google, you know) Can you please tell me one….just one…that actually works, since you seem to know it all. Didn’t you see the screenshot? almost 400GB of System File data. Is that normal, you think? Is that overthinking. Instead of being an asshole, why don’t you try to really help me instead…or maybe you can’t handle that you don’t kn0w either? There is nothing of what you have proposed that I haven’t tried at least four times already. This started with my last M1, mind you. I ve spend an endless amount of hours cleaning out my Macs from scratch, formatting and reinstalling the whole operating system, so why don’t you tune down your tone a little bit, will you.

I just said there’s no such thing as the amount of system data that you are seeing if you properly set the downloader/installer. That’s what I meant by ‘you don’t know what you are doing’. I’ve been doing this a LOT longer than you have. So yeah I know what I’m talking about. The installer is pretty foolproof elsewise more people would be having the same issue you are having.

Reply To: I’m having trouble with extremely large system data file version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Well, I’m running a MacBook Pro M2 2023 on Ventura and had exactly the same issue on my M1 2020 with Monterey, so I think this problem started with Monterey and have excelled with Ventura. Im not doing anything unusual…Im just installing the Toontrack downloader and then manage all the downloading and installing-processes from there….like you’re supposed to. When asked where to download I choose my external drives and in case I missed something I redirect it via “Preferences”. So the only thing that is strange is that it seems like the Mac needs to “make room” on the internal drive for the files even though the files are on an external drive…or something. I don’t know. That’s why I reached out to Apple support and they didn’t really know so they redirected me to this forum. Im not saying that I know that this is a Toontrack-problem.. it might as well be Apple…or perhaps booth. But I think they need to talk to each other….Or help me to get this right….since it’s impossible to erase system data except “Time Machine-stuff” and some other things, but I don’t even have Time Machine so….The only thing that makes a small change on the huge system file is when I erase all of Logics sound library.

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You may not have Time Machine actuated but you do have it as it’s part of the Mac operating system. And there are other ways of getting rid of system data than by TM. You just need to know what you’re doing and that I think is the crux of the issue here. You either don’t really know what you’re doing or you’re over-thinking things. It has nothing to do with whatever MacOS you’re running as long as the programs you’re installing are compatible with that particular operating system.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

My problem is, as I mentioned, that my storage goes bananas regarding System files, when I download SD3 and Keyscape even though I have directed them to my extern hard-drives. We’re talking 3-400 GB of system files…Which is a BIG problem since my hard drive is 512 GB. My system-files are on my internal drive. (It’s not that hard to handle the installation-process since the program asks where you would like to install your content.)

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If you’re doing things properly there’s no system file or files for SD3 or Keyscape that are in the 300 to 400 GB size range. The file size for SD3 samples is roughly 144gig if you don’t install the surround files. And there’s no need to have them. Just select in the installer where to put the samples and it will put them there. The program file size for SD3 is just over 12 MB. And the program file size for an older version of Omnisphere is less than 121 MB for the au format. Certainly none of those file sizes are in the range you’re talking about.

Yes some programs have a need for more than the final size to do the install but nowheres near the range you are seeing.

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Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Jannetrumma wrote:

Hello again!

Thanks again for replying.

Im very much aware of all of that. I’ve redirected them via Preferences in the Toontrack menu. Everything works just fine…besides that my system data files becomes huge when installing SD3 and Keyscape….which also is directed to an external ssd….

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I still don’t understand what your problem is. Your system files and applications MUST reside on your internal system drive. They can’t be split into 2 locations/drives. The Spectrasonics sample files stuff can also reside on an external drive. So what is the issue then?

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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