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drumjack52Thanks for quick response!
Great to hear that it is possible. Not so great to realize that a lot of midi mapping is needed 😵💫
I will use it both as a standalone (most of the time) and in Reason sometimes for recording.
Maybe a stupid question: If I use my e-drum kit, I use all but 4 instruments/”slots” in Superior Drummer. So 4 more pads only? So if I connect the Octapad, I can only use half of the pads? Or is it possible to expand the kits in Superior Drummer? It seems like the Orchestral SDX have a lot more to play at the same time, but that I can just guess from image on Toontrack.com
What are these 4 instrument slots you’re talking about? If you’re talking about ‘add an instrument’ I just tried and I could load in 8 ‘instruments’ of varying percussions, etc. And this is on top of a kit in the Death library that has 2 kicks, 3 rack toms, 2 floor toms and a full complement of cymbals.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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drumjack52You might be able to achieve the original objective if your e-kit modules support setting the midi channel value. I have successfully done what you are asking by setting one e-kit module to produce midi with channel 10 and the other channel 11. Then in my DAW I created two SD3 tracks with midi channel filters to route the midi notes accordingly based on channel value. You can then setup two independent SD3 kits that should work at the same time, each being driven from a separate e-kit module.
You might be able to do the same with two instances of standalone SD3 as it has a midi channel filter as well, but I’ve not tried to do this.
Reply To: Connect both an e-drum-kit and Roland SPD Octapad to Superior Drummer 3? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)
Can’t do two instances of SD3 in standalone, at least on a Mac. Doesn’t matter that you can set the MIDI channel to one of your choice. So it’s in a daw. Period.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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drumjack52You can only have one kit active at a time in SD3. So both Roland pieces would work at the same time to that one kit. The hardest part is working out the pad assignments such that hits aren’t duplicated between the two and what hits activate which kit pieces in SD3. This means you’re going to have to do some extensive MIDI mapping in either SD3 or the Rolands.
ARe you going to use SD3 standalone or in a daw? If the latter then you’re going to have to see how the daw handles multiple MIDI devices on a single virtual instrument like SD3.
Jack
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Thanked by: Johan Doveliusdrumjack52Developers don’t tend to talk about what may or may not be in an update. Besides I’d think Bandmate would be in a whole number update.
Jack
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drumjack52Correct.
Jack
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drumjack52Aggregate devices will indeed work in your case, since they are all USB.
Have fun.
Jord
The op only needs one interface at a time so would aggregate really help? I’d only use aggregate if running more than one interface at a time.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Cool that you got it sorted. Good luck with the setup.
And as always – have extra drum sticks – you can never have too many.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52The impression I get from this thread is that Toontrack doesn’t care about what their users need. Face it – we are being ignored on this issue.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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Thanked by: Nigel Watsondrumjack52You’re still looking at an operating system level issue which SD3 can’t address. Something that is not clear – are you talking about renumbering things in SD3 or somewheres else? And really does it matter what the numbers are in SD3? Not trying to be snarky but trying to understand what you’re trying to get at. Do I understand it that you want to renumber things depending on the interface in use? But renumber where?
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52What is your audio interface at home? It sounds like you’re using multiple USB connections with the two A&H mixers. Is SD3 running in multichannel mode? You’re using all 32 channels of the mixers for SD3? As I said it seems this isn’t really an SD3 issue.
Have a safe 4th of July
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52I’m confused by your wording. It seems like you’re using the VAD706 MIDI to drive the computer that’s hosting SD3 right? Are you using SD3 in standalone mode or in a daw? Why connect to another drum brain like the TD50? What exactly is connected to the A&H mixers – the computer that hosts SD3? Is anybody else in your band using the A&H mixers or is it just you? This sounds more like it’s NOT an SD3 issue.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
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PT 2021.6
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drumjack52You do NOT send the audio file to SD3. You treat it like any other virtual instrument. Send it the MIDI from ProTools to SD3 then route the audio from SD3 to a PT audio track. There should be plenty of videos on YouTube on how to use virtual instruments.
Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Thats correct.
There are several ways to achieve this. I too use PT to edit and create the midi notes. THe SD3 grid editor is pretty cool but its harder for me to not have those midi notes in the same edit environment as all the other midi instruments.
I usually allow SD3 to be the default stereo output , from within the plug in, until its time to mix. Drumjack52 is using a PT track pre-set to quickly set up a multi bused SD3 structure. These “Track pre sets” in PT are awesome. Such a good way to save time and always get the correct routing and assigments. Im amazed at how often people dont utilize them.
I watch PT engineers tediously repeat the same bussing and routing by hand. ITs crazy. If you spend a couple hours learning how they work, how to set them up and when to implement them… you will be way more efficient and get more time being creative instead of endless mousing and clicking. Ive saved so much time learning the track pre sets in PT. Especially with routing 20 tracks from SD3 into a daw with all the stereo tracks stereo and all the mono tracks getting the correct panning.
I do , however recommend waiting till the mix stage to break out all the channels from SD3. Unless there is some specific creative or sonic need to do so. Mostly because I often will change the drum kit, or other SD3 particulars before the song is completed. When you change the drum kit is SD3 all the channel assignments can change and create mayhem.
All good except for one thing – if you select ‘keep output routing on preset change’ you can change presets and still keep your routing. I prefer having things done in PT from the start with regards the audio routing. I have PT track presets for the stock SD3 library, another for Death and a third for Darkness. It really pays to learn how to do presets.
Jack
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PT 2021.6
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Thanked by: Ronald Mesaric and patrick maguiredrumjack52Hi, is there a possibility to drive SD3 with the...Hi,
is there a possibility to drive SD3 with the Live-Track in Pro Tools without Import the AudioFile in the Plugin?
Thx
lg
Hi,
is there a possibility to drive SD3 with the Live-Track in Pro Tools without Import the AudioFile in the Plugin?
Thx
lg
Yes – just like any other virtual instrument. I keep my MIDI in PT and feed that to SD3. I then send the audio from SD3 back into PT tracks. I have a track preset in PT that with one motion has SD3 on an instrument track with separate tracks to receive the audio from SD3. I use multi-channel output in SD3 with individual tracks in PT for snares, toms, cymbals, overheads and ambience channels and those all get routed to a single bus in PT. All my drum mixing is done in PT just like using a real physical drum kit. My PT preset has about 20 tracks all told.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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Thanked by: Ronald Mesaricdrumjack52Thanks for mentioning this. It could help with some things I’ve been working on of late.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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