“Tip” and “Edge” of HiHat. What do you mean?

[Rich Seaton]

In the manual for Superior 2,1 it explains how to...

In the manual for Superior 2,1 it explains how to program the hihat aticulations specifically for Hatstrigger and hatstiptrigger.

It says to hit the “tip” of the hihat for one and the “edge” for the other.

But these terms are synonomous. Surely the tip of the hihat is the edge?

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From Wikipedia:

Parts of a cymbal

Bell The center of a Cymbal, often raised to a bell-like shape.
Bow The remaining surface of the Cymbal.
Edge or rim The immediate circumference of the instrument.

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So which one means the bow? (I guess the bell is not used.)
For me the terms tip/edge both= the rim

Thanks!

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In the manual for Superior 2,1 it explains how to program the hihat aticulations specifically for Hatstrigger and hatstiptrigger.

It says to hit the “tip” of the hihat for one and the “edge” for the other.

But these terms are synonomous. Surely the tip of the hihat is the edge?

---

From Wikipedia:

Parts of a cymbal

Bell The center of a Cymbal, often raised to a bell-like shape.
Bow The remaining surface of the Cymbal.
Edge or rim The immediate circumference of the instrument.

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So which one means the bow? (I guess the bell is not used.)
For me the terms tip/edge both= the rim

Thanks!

Don't worry, this won't hurt a bit...

Topic

[Whitten]

OK, having never read the manual I now see ‘Driller’ is right on this.
I think the manual should say ‘top’ instead of tip, maybe with (bow zone) in brackets.
I don’t use the term bow ever really, and probably most people would be mystified by that. Hit the top hi-hat bad on the edge for ‘edge hit, hit it on top for a tip hit.
Yeah, it’s still confusing, but I was never confused by Toontrack’s use of the terms ‘tip’ and ‘edge’ with regards to the sampled soundfiles, but I can see now what ‘Driller’ is saying, in the context of the manual text it IS confusing.

[DPTrainor]

Diller is correct on all accounts. Why in the world would you argue endlessly with a customer? Listen to him – he is correct. He can hit both the bell and the bow of the hat with the tip. Or any other object for that matter. Even the tip if you are accurate enough. You guys should have more respect. Your nomenclature is fundementally flawed. And you are defending it. Listen to his honest and respectful feedback and modify the the next revision of the manual – it is confusing, in that you are using the anatomy of a stick to describe the anatomy of a cymbal. It is fundementally wrong. You guys have written great software (love it), but you need to communicate with more respect. And write better documentation, otherwise you are going to continue to get endless support questions. Thank you and Best Regards, DPT.

[Scott]

Welcome to the forum Daniel.

There is a line between arguing and discussing. I believe I never crossed into the ‘arguing’ with my explanation and ultimate conclusions. 

Scott Sibley - Toontrack
Technical Advisor

[Rich Seaton]

ORIGINAL: Scott

Welcome to the forum Daniel.

There is a line between arguing and discussing. I believe I never crossed into the ‘arguing’ with my explanation and ultimate conclusions. 

 
Maybe “heated discussion” but I certainly wouldn’t say arguing.
 
Anyway, we sorted this matter out (in a perfectly civil fashion) months ago…and Superior Drummer 2.0 remains the best of its breed.

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[DPTrainor]

Sorry. I was reading through the post and it caught me the wrong way. Its all good.

[Rich Seaton]

Heh, heh, I think everyone has said “sorry” in this thread (including myself), you’re just the latest 🙂

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[Pascal Procman]

How Roland names …

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[DrumrboyNoid]

Driller, no need to be an ass-hat while talking about a hi-hat. Relax man.

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