Struggling to understand Chokes and Swell Settings

[brammer]

 
 
Hi all,
 
I have read the manual on Chokes and it doesn’t detail too much about this.
Can someone tell me how to make cymbals chokable please.
 
Also  –  Swells
I have read that I need to create the same cymbal again and then set hat ones envelope with less attack.
I assume I do this by creating the same cymbal as an Xdrum ?
I did this – I learnt it – and then my ( physical ) cymbal ONLY triggers the Xdrum cymbal.
Obviously I am doing something completely wrong here.
 
If someone can explain this to me in plain English I would appreciate the help.
 
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[brammer]

Well apparently my good old DT4Express does not send aftertouch signals
So there goes the ‘choking’ plans I guess.
Will sort out when I get the DTX950 ( shortly?)
 
But I still need ‘swell’ assistance please

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[brammer]

So…..no-one here creates Swells and uses this with an Ekit

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[brammer]

Arrr – I feel the love guys

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[Juicy]

[brammer]

I have been advised that there is info about this at Youtube in the ‘loads’ of videos on SD available there.
 
I certainly cant see it.
 
Can anyone point me to those video’s at least
Specifically the one that covers swells

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[Rogue]

can you be more specific about the info you need regarding swells?

… guessing wildly what may help you, typically you would smooth out the attack on a ‘note ON’ message in the envelope section (see manual for detailed operation), using either a dedicated cymbal trigger (or a dual zone if your module supports it – not sure if it does). And yes that would be loading an X-drum with the relevant cymbal if you want to same sound as a non altered cymbal in your kit.

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[brammer]

ORIGINAL: Rogue
can you be more specific about the info you need regarding swells?

Thanks Rogue,

Ok I am trying to ‘lose’ that initial hard hit sound when you strike the cymbal constantly ( ride the edge as you would in an acoustic situation ) to create that ‘continual’ sound WITHOUT hearing each individual hit as well as the constant swell sound running ( gee I hope this makes sense as I am hopeless at explaining things  )

I am triggering SD2.0 (with 2.2 updates installed ) via a Yamaha DT4Express module and using PCY135 3 zone cymbals.

Unsure if this helps further…

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[John]

OK,

but won’t selecting the Edge articulation only and edit the Attack in the Envelope suffice?

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Technical Advisor

[Rogue]

hum, are you referring to a library soon to be released John 😉
… apart from the rides there is only one articulation per cymbal at this point, so an X-drum would be required.

I am trying to ‘lose’ that initial hard hit sound when you strike the cymbal constantly ( ride the edge as you would in an acoustic situation ) to create that ‘continual’ sound WITHOUT hearing each individual hit as well as the constant swell sound running

I’m not sure I understand whether you want cymbal swells or to ride your crashes… for the former raising the voice limit of your x-drum may help create a more realistic effect, for the later a smaller value than the default in addition to or instead of shaving the samples tail (release) *may* help define the sound. If you want to be able to do both, experiment with everything mentioned herein and see what works best for you.

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Configuration Manager

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