Roland VH 13 and SD 2.3

[Snareface]

Hi guys, This is my first introduction and question on this forum. At the moment I have the RolandTD30KV the VH 13 hihat, in combination with SD, within Cubase 7.5 The DAW recognize the Roland as a standard driver and therefore works excellent, even with the ASIO4ALL driver on my SSD HP Probook. The ASIO4ALL I will be replaced soon for the Steinberg UH824 converter, to get the latency standard below 5ms. Recently I purchased SD 2.3 as part of my e-drum setup within a DAW. I also want to apply this configuration on stage if possible. One topic that shows up frequently here, is how to tweak the Roland VH11, VH12 or 13 in SD. Usually the answer is as follow: Use the Roland Defaultsetting in SD, and easy does it! But by now, we all know that tweaking the VH 12 and 13 in SD is far from easy. This information is confirmed by the specialists from the Drum-Tec, the E-drum specialists from Germany. According to them, there is no problem with the VH 11. But the VH 12 and VH 13 ( who technically are the same), will cause slightly more difficulties. This is unfortunate , because using the hi-hat in Roland TD30KV module is already outstanding! And there is virtually no difference noticeable by playing an acoustic Hihat . I did some comparising in my tudio and determined this experimentally. So the challenge I am facing now is how to get the great SD-sounds into this E-drum chain. Without losing the VH 13 finesse and dynamics…. Who has some recent experience with this problem? And what is best method to tweak the VH 13 within 2.3 SD. I have to admit that the learning mode within 2.3 SD is also not entirely clear to me ….but that could be just me….Perhaps the SD-manual shows the right answers on this topic? Any chance that Toontrack will solve these problems as a standard Default setting in a next version of SD? Hope you guys will give me some respons on this… Cheers, Snareface.

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[Olof Westman]

You should post this in the support forum for Superior.

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[Andreas]

Hi, I have some experiences about that….yeees 🙂 First of all, I have two VH-12 with a TD-20. I have tried for 3 weeks now to solve this issue, but no. I´m not familiar with VH-13 at all, but as you say I don´t think there are any real big differencies. I have tried to tweek the hi hat curve in superior 2.3.2/The Metal Foundry in the velocity field in the mapping page 1000 of times. I have tried to reset my TD-20 1000 of times so it sends Default triggering messages/MIDI. I have tried to tweek the trigger settings in TD-20 many times. I have updated the TD-20 to 1.09. I have got a specially tweeked velocity curve from Toontrack´s Betatester Damian Blunt. I have tried my other VH-12 which I use for my other Roland kit in our rehearsal room. I have tried all presets in superior 2.3.2 like Roland E-drums, Roland E-drums (generic), GM Extended, E-drums Yamaha etc. Nothing cures the problem! The resolution between closed and open are still very “abrupt”. But keep in mind that superior 2.3.2 has “no hi hat open bow sounds”. The Metal Foundry has 5 different hi hats and none of them with open bow. That means, when you play on the head/bow (which I almost always do) you will hear the Open Edge sound. You can ONLY play and hear the Closed Tip sounds. Yes! That´s true. That is a shame. I have ordered the New York Studio Vol. 2 SDX. I have been told that it has a hi hat that has sampled open bow. So, my conclusion is that the only way to “probably” fix this problem is to install a TDW-20 Expansion Board for my TD-20. It has an option/function called “CC resolution HIGH” for the VH-12. But I would not be surprised if my VH-12s´ still not work in a satisfactory way after installing TDW-20. I will probably buy one and try, and I will come back to you when I have the result. If you are running your VH-13 through a TD-30 I´m sure this CC resolution HIGH should be there for the VH-13. No need for any updates or upgrades I think.

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