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WhittenYou can download EZdrummer directly from your Toontrack account. Just use the serial number for the disc version you bought.
Whitten Sounds like the sound source on your track is a piano, not EZdrummer.
Have you created a virtual instrument track in Cubase, then selected EZdrummer as your instrument, then dropped your midi on to that same track?
For the record I’m not a Cubase user, so I’m just mentioning general DAW principles.
WhittenORIGINAL: juicy
I dont need a 101 on recording and dynamics and gain structure.
I will note all other EZx Midi does get up there ,i guess they are harder hitters,NirZ,Peter F ,Morgen .
Who cares anyway . It was only a small point.
Dude, you are still confusing midi numbers with the actual drum sounds recorded.
120 or 127, they only apply to a sample in a pool.
The sample is created based on the way I hit. In other words Lars Ulrich’s 127 is the same volume as my 127 in Superior or EZdrummer, EXCEPT, in the studio when the 127 hit was sampled, Lars might have been hitting twice as hard as me. So you hear that in the sound of the drum, not on the number in the midi file.
So my 120 sample doesn’t become a limp wristed jazz note, just because it isn’t 127.
WhittenORIGINAL: fizbin
I’m actually OK with this. That’s what the volume knob in Superior is for. If the MIDI drummer plays at 127 you’ve got flat dynamics. If you leave a little room you can have dynamics, plus the ability to max out the velocities with the volume knob if you so wish.
Now that doesn’t mean play like a wimp.
Yes, I think you are getting it.
The punk attitude is the drum sound recorded at source. If the drummer is too loud, the volume fader on the studio desk gets turned down, you DON’T ask the drummer to play quieter.
(By the way, the midi libraries take me weeks of work).
And I included some Julian Cope type midi songs in both C&V and The Classic.
WhittenORIGINAL: juicy
My turn sticking my neck out here so…
After checking,even your big fills never get to 127 in Classic not that its negative at all but if it is rightly reserved for climaxes why are they not really there somewhere ??.
I program my own but some peeps can’t .Shame about Levon what grooves he gave us.
I think some of you are still misunderstanding me……
My products reflect the way I hit the drums.
Therefore a 120 velocity hit triggering one of my samples is just as smacked as if I was playing an acoustic kit on a session. It’s a question of sound, not volume.
The recording engineer records the sound, but turns the volume down so we don’t distort the channels in Pro Tools.
If Toontrack are sampling a quieter drummer, maybe the Pro Tools channels get turned up.
So a 120 hit in Superior is always the same volume, but it’s NEVER the same sound – the sound of a drummer whacking a kit.
Whitten But the velocity in numeric form has no connection to the velocity that the drum was hit when sampled.
My 120 could be twice as loud as Futureman’s 120 on the actual session.
I purposely played the midi under 127 because 127 doesn’t sound good for all groove hits, it should be reserved for the song climaxes, the big fill etc…..
Anyway, I was jesting. I would love to do a punk EZX, and I appreciate you guys would like to see a punk/edgey EZX from some younger than me, well known drummer from that genre. If I could make it so, I would.
WhittenORIGINAL: fizbin
Seems like between Americana and The Classic (your sig) you should be able to coax some punk. Just because a punk drummer wasn’t sitting behind the kit when it was recorded doesn’t mean there isn’t a full velocity smack of every piece in there.
Hey?
WhittenSome of those EZX’s work really well in Superior, and offer more kit choices you don’t see in any SDX.
Whitten I’m less bothered by the midi library for two reasons.
1) I would rather edit something quite extensively to make it my own anyway.
So it’s likely I would find a handful of midi parts I liked in EZkeys and often start my songs from those same grooves. Dragging them into my DAW quite early, changing chords, re-voicing end deleting bits and inserting my own playing. I honestly do a ton of rewriting and editing in my DAW even when I’m just working with drums. I have Maschine, and never use their stock patterns, it just feels lazy, a compromise.
2) Although I’m far from a piano player, I can play 1 chord per part type stuff. I can also play melody parts myself.
My music isn’t piano driven, so piano is more of a supporting role.
Yes, I agree. The EZkeys library is quite basic, arguably limited. I can’t remember if the original EZdrummer library covered many more bases?
I’ve created midi for my EZX’s and it’s a ton of hard work, and I don’t think I’ve ever offered a broad based, almost one stop shop, library of drum grooves.
You could just go on forever and some customer somewhere would feel cheated – what no reggae grooves? No salsa grooves? No progressive rock grooves?
On the detuning. I feel your pain. Every 20 seconds is OTT, and actually even makes it hard to audition basic parts from the library,
Whitten Yes. I agree.
One of the conflicts i have with music software is the complexity and number of features.
There are just a ton of features in most software products i will never use.
When you read the user feedback (I’m not talking Toontrack here) it’s usually “it would be great if it also did this”.
Yes, these requests are perfectly genuine. But if everyone got what they specifically needed in every product, every product would be hugely complex, and probably more expensive.
Now there are some features people have suggested for EZKeys that are utterly sensible. And customer feedback is the only thing that improves the products.
However I think it’s asking too much to expect every product to fulfill every one’s needs.
Whitten Well as we are discussing it….
The claim the product doesn’t match the advertising seems totally moot to me.
You can download a decently functioning demo before you make up your mind. If you think it doesn’t match the advertising, or more to the point, doesn’t match your expectations and needs….. don’t buy it.
The claim that Toontrack has rushed the release of EZkeys is just a negative opinion, not really a fact.
I watched many weeks of betatesting. The comments from betatesters were thorough, sometimes positive, sometimes critical.
The notion that the experienced community of Toon betatesters sat back while an unfinished product hit the market is just wrong…. it didn’t happen.
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