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I’m confused – are you Aaron Aardvark?   Your profile says Chris.   Because I clicked on the link and I’m really enjoying listening to the music!

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Thanked by: CHRIS

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I never came back to the forum because I figured out the solution… which I will share in a moment.   I just wanted to thank everyone who offered their help along the way.   Here’s what the issue is.   If you set up midi e-drums in SD3, it re-maps the midi note numbers to your drum set.  For instance, you buy a Roland V-drum kit and want to trigger SD3 with it.  All you do is click on e-drums in SD3, then select your kit, and then SD3 re-maps the sounds to  your drum pads… in essence changing the notes being played.   Well…. if you have it set up to use with e-drums when SD3 opens, but you’re not playing on the kit, you decide to work with loops… the loop midi numbers get changed too… so when you drag it into your DAW, it’s triggering the wrong midi note numbers.   It’s a bit of a pain in the ass to have to switch it on and off every time I want to go between my drum set and just clicking loops, but other than that… love SD3 – this is incredible software.

Reply To: Baffled. Dragging loop from SD3 to Logic. I lose all effects. version: 3.1.5
Operating system: macOS Mojave (10.14)

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Thanked by: psumesgutner

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I do have an E-Drums preset loaded for my Roland TD-30… but this is for dragging loops from the browser to the DAW… Are you saying that by having the E-Drum mapping enabled, SD3 reconfigures or adjusts the incoming loop and moves the note numbers around?

I tested this theory – and it seems to have solved the issue.  I appreciate the help – would have never thought of that on my own.   I am wondering though, why would a mapping of e-drum triggers change the note numbers of a loop being dragged into Logic.   Would love to understand how and why SD3 moves those notes – when E-drum triggering is very different than loop dragging.

Thanks again!

-Bill

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The midi note numbers are different (change) after dragging into the DAW.

 

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The new situation you’re facing sounds to be more of a memory issue (filling up) or a hard drive (slowness) issue.

Couple things you might want to look at:

1. How much of your CPU / memory is being used up with other software / DAW / plugins?
2. Click on the upper right corner tab, where it says ___MB  – see how much RAM that drum set is using vs how much you have installed in your PC.
3. In that same menu, if you’re running lean on memory, play with the Cached and 16Bit options.   One only loads the samples needed based on the drums you’re actually playing.  The other will bring the audio quality down a little bit but save you memory.
4. At the bottom of that same menu… there is a button to OPEN PERFORMANCE SETTINGS.   Click it.  In the lower part of the window that opens – you will see how many CPU’s are dedicated / used for SD3.   There is a massive performance improvement when you use at least 2 CPU cores – this is documented by Toontrack themselves.
5. If the program is still crashing when loading standalone… there’s something going on with the install (uninstall and reinstall it) … OR…. it would seem the program is trying to access the audio drivers and there’s an error causing the program to collapse and not load.

Hopefully this will help.  Good luck!

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Thanked by: Alan Cox

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I found the issue!   Get this…. it’s NOT an effects issue.

I started examining the differences between the loop playing within the groove finder versus the exact same loop being dragged into Logic.

It’s not the effects which are missing – it’s changing the MIDI note numbers when I drag it into Logic!   Still baffled, but now I see what’s happening.

 

When I play the groove in SD3 – within the groove it plays two cymbals which are really distorted and have a long reverb / decay.

When I play the same loop I dragged into Logic, those two cymbals are played on the Octapad squares to the right of the drum set.

 

Now if anyone can help me as to why it’s changing the MIDI note numbers when I drag the loop… I would love a fix!   Thanks!

 

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Please see my post above…. there’s also more to the story I discovered:

1. When I did tap to find, and played the loop – it had this extended reverb when playing it from within the groove “browser”.  It was a 91% match, played it, and sounded awesome with the efx.
2. When I dragged it into logic, like I said before, the loop played fine, the samples played fine, but there were no efx.  It was dry.
3. I tried clicking on the drums from within SD3 – and the samples played – but again – DRY.
4. I clicked the mixer tab – WHILE the loop was playing from the Tap to Find grooves – and when the loop was playing and the efx sounded great again, I looked at the individual mixing and Out 1/2 – literally every sound that was showing a meter – and no effects were assigned to any tracks.

So this leaves me with:  Obviously there are no efx assigned our playing, UNLESS I’m playing the groove from within the SD3 browser.  This leaves me to believe that Toontrack has perhaps applied what they think would be cool sounding effects as an example when playing from within the browser, but you’re not committed to those efx – nor do they auto load when loading the drum set, clicking on the drums, or dragging the loop.

If this is the case – I would love to know what effect is being “demo’ed” from within the SD3 browser when clicking the little play button next to the groove.

Still Baffled,

Bill

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Hi John,

I have saved the Logic project, and with only 1 midi track / plugin – it came to 5.5 megabytes.  That’s a small file!  But when attaching it to the post it says… Error! The file is too big.

I zipped it down to 4.3 Megabytes …. still too big for the forum post.   I attached a PDF of a screen shot showing that it won’t accept my file.

Want me to send it to you directly on email?    I will need your email address.

Thanks,

Bill

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I figured it out – somewhat. Not a fix but the cause.
If you don’t use the promo code for 20% additional off… The price is correct. However when putting in the code – while its the correct discount on the order screen, on the payment screen – the discount is not being multiplied by .2 but actually the purchase is multiplied by 2 & doubling the cost.

It’s gotta be the decimal!

William Nicholson

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