[thebaz_1]

ate to be the ones who replies to his own question in his own thread, but I finally found the answer and I hope it will help anyone else who has the same issue.

There is a slider under bass drum velocity in the drum window that is marked “soft hit level”. When I found the “Hit” that was the problem, I turned down the soft hit level and the dynamic range increased. Now I have soft hits when I play soft from the inside mic.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

The kick drum sample from the inside mic does not seem to be effected at all by dynamics. You can clearly see the midi mote volume changing with differing dynamics when playing the pedal, but the inside mic sound does not change. The outside mic is quite responsive to the point of I would have to change the velocity curve to get any consistency. If I adjust the velocity curve for the inside kick to 0 db and run it at 0 till half way across the box, it will act as a gate till the threshold is crossed but the slightest deviation from 0 and the kick drum sounds at full volume. The harder you hit the pedal the more of the outside mic blends in, but that is the only change. Is the inside mic supposed to be a one dimension sample like this? I would really like to fix this. It is great to suddenly have all my weak kicks consistent, but bad to have extra kick sounds because I breathed on the pedal. 😉

Apart from this, I am absolutely loving SD3 now I am getting past the setup stage and can navigate thought the adjustments quickly and productively, I am getting great sounding drum tracks that are album quality.

Hope some one can help.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

thanks for the reply.

I am a fair way down the track now and have started to record using my TD-12 and SD3. I am still tweaking things trying to get the same dynamic response and low latency I had from the TD-12 in SD3, and I am getting close now. I felt that using the TD-12 my playing was well represented but the sounds were not quite what I would want. I am getting close to this with SD3, but I have to play with the many settings to get closer to the sounds that represent my playing and suit the tunes I am recording to. Anything new always has a steep and frustrating learning curve, but hopefully a better result.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

Thanks for the reply Brad,

i think it is the Yamaha kit , but the preset with the Pearl 24″ Masters. It seems to be the inside mic more than the outside, and I haven’t quite worked out how to blend the two sounds with triggering, but the stack button only seems to effect the kick sound when you click with the mouse.

The outside mic seems to be more responsive to the dynamics.

I will take down the details when I am in the studio again and report back.

It is something I need to deal with as the kick triggers when it is barely touched resulting in some unwelcome kick placements.

Does the inside mic have less dynamic range, because there seems to be no discernible difference in sound when the kick is played at differing volumes.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

Thanks for the info ondjayn.

I didn’t realize there were 16bit versions of the samples so I will try that. Are you meaning that you only use a mono output to monitor during recording?

These are good tactics to know.

I am running a 64 sample buffer and getting some distortion although the latency is OK, (around 6ms from memory). I have gone to 128 samples and it is a bit better. CPU does not seem to exceed 15% and memory use is under 4gb.

I have managed to run SD3 as a stand alone, but it will take some time getting the setting right to be comfortable with the response.

I have started recording and am already very happy with the snare and kick sound in the track, (I am using real cymbals and hats), but still need to adjust the tom sounds to get the definition I got with the TD-12. The raw sounds are better, there is no question, it is just getting the sound to suit my style and taste. I am sure I will be happy with the result once I get more familiar and experienced with SD3 .

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

I actually feel that the TD-12 sounds I use are reasonably realistic especially the tom sounds I use. I am not really a fan of over processed drum sounds although they work really well in some contexts. I do find that I was not happy with the majority of sounds on the TD-12, but found a select few that I felt worked for me and sounded closest to my acoustic kit sounds, but I was looking to expand the range of sounds so every tune didn’t have the same drum sound. It is possible that seat of the pants is coloring my perception, as I can still feel a bit of lag in the response when playing that would not be noticeable when playing back, but appears to lack attack when  playing the kit.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

I have spent a lot of time on my TD-12 tuning the toms, eq, compression etc and there are only a handful of kits that I would use for recording. I have found so far that I am not getting the attack of the toms that I got from the TD-12, but like I said, I am still trying the kit presets pretty much out of the box so far. I am keen to try the Death and Darkness SDX and add it to SD3.

I have a kit I made from real drums and fitted mesh heads and home made triggers and I have used that from practicing for years with great success using real cymbals and hats. I am now recording this way since the lockdowns prevent recording with a real kit and have been pretty happy with the results.

Since it has become more common to record this way I went with SD3 so I can record the drums in midi and have a lot more control of the final sounds after the performance is recorded. I am nearly ready to start recording now.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

It seems a lot better today if I wait for the preset to load completely. I added the ram I have been waiting for so now i have 8gb. the cpu does not seem to go higher than around 15% and the memory around 3800mb. I returned the buffer to 64 and the latency is better, but not as good as audio straight out of the TD-12. the kit sounds are great, but there are not a lot of tom sounds i am really keen on yet, where the TD-12 had great toms sounds but the snares were not as good as I would have liked. anyway, early days so I will start to customize the presets.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

[thebaz_1]

Thanks for the reply. It sounds like your experience is the same as mine, so it may be like you say an anomaly of playing before everything is loaded into memory.

8,10,12,14,22, 14sn, mesh head triggered drums.
Paiste cymbals and hi-hats
Roland TD-12, PC, Win7, Digirack 003+
Reaper v6.35, SD3 V3.2.4

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