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[Andrew Payne]

My answer is a drummers answer and a flam is normally played with the grace note (quieter) before the beat so the louder note is on the beat. And same approach whether a right or left flam. Quantizing is up to you (as most drummers won’t quantize – in order to keep human feel and groove) but normally you would quantize the main hit of the flam to be on the beat.

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[Andrew Payne]

Have you tried Rooms of Hansa Vocal Booth ? Some pretty dry sound options in this one

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[Andrew Payne]

It is a big investment financially but the sounds from Orchestral Percussion SDX are awesome. I use this extensively for my percussion and I either play my own percussion via my ekit or use the MIDI from this SDX (or the EZX Latin percussion and Latin Cuban Percussion as Jord mentioned – I have both). But I always play through the OP SDX as the sounds are fantastic but also give the same infinite flexibility for adjustment in sound via drums tab and mixer tab (with multi output options) the same as in Superior Drummer. See screenshot example.

Reply To: Percussion in SD3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

As an e-drummer who also uses lots of additional instruments, this would be a fantastic update and make life a lot easier. cheers, Andrew

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[Andrew Payne]

I share the frustration. Not being able to control the order further shows that a lack of ability to rename these x-drums makes things more difficult.

In a similar vein, I also have put 2 posts, one of which is in Requests and Feedback and it relates to the inability to rename extra instruments as they appear on the drums tab and also in mixer tab – under bleed and close mics. Yes I know you can rename the x-drums in the channels but not as above – and if they are not in a “sensible order” (eg 4 rototoms together in order from smallest size to largest size) then very hard to know which is which when assessing bleed.

My two posts are below. If you can add to the Requests/Feedback one then maybe Toontrack will listen.

If you put your issue into Requests/feedback then I will add to this as I agree it is a good idea. cheers, Andrew

Topic: Need to rename Added X-Drums | Toontrack

Topic: Rename Added X-Drums | Toontrack

 

Reply To: Can the order of extra instruments be changed? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks Mike – it all works perfectly and major improvement to my workflow !! I also had the track control area width too narrow in Cubase. Thanks again.

Reply To: Can I multiple Instances of SD3 in Cubase each with its own unique drum map ? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

Thanks Mike for your help and the above detail and screenshots. This is exactly how I have been doing it EXCEPT using the drumstick icon on the track- and I think this may be the key for me getting this to work. I will check it out later today. thanks Again, Andrew

Reply To: Can I multiple Instances of SD3 in Cubase each with its own unique drum map ? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

I use Cubase 12 Pro. Grateful for any assistance. cheers, Andrew

Reply To: Can I multiple Instances of SD3 in Cubase each with its own unique drum map ? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

We are all still learning and improving (hopefully) !!

Reply To: Pan option for single cymbals? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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[Andrew Payne]

I forgot to mention that MIDI editing in DAW (esp Cubase) is much better than in SD3 so this is why I record MIDI in my DAW. You still have all the SD3 editing drums/mixer options with it as a plugin within your DAW. I set up drum maps in Cubase based on my mapping in SD3 so it all works well.

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[Andrew Payne]

last 2 screenshots

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[Andrew Payne]

Many ways it can be done and it really depends on what you are doing. I am happy to share what I do but this works best for me based on following:

1. I am an E-drummer and record in MIDI in Cubase using SD3 as a plugin. I write and record drums for other musicians and supply audio drum tracks.
2. I Mix and supply stereo drum tracks or up to 15 stem audio drum tracks. I always use parallel reverb and parallel compression as part of this
3. I am always aiming for “real” acoustic drum sounds
4. I use the philosophy of getting the drums sounding as good as possible in SD3 (create all my own user kits) prior to exporting to a DAW for further processing.

So my workflow is:

a. Use Sd3 to set up my own user kits and route via buses to 15 outputs (plus a stereo output as well). I have about 89 user kits across different SDX libraries

b. I use all parameters in drums tab and parameters/effects/sends in mixer tab to tailor drum sounds and also create my own individual channels for each cymbal (and any additional user instruments) that also bleed to OH. (see attached “sd3 drums tab” and “sd3 mixer and outputs”)

c.  Once I finish this in SD3 it is ready to use in DAW (mine is Cubase Pro 12).

d. I have a preset project in Cubase where use SD3 as a plugin and route each of the 16 Sd3 outputs to a channel in Cubase and these route to 16 group channels which then route to a drum group Bus. (see attached “cubase outputs 1”, “cubase outputs 2” and “cubase output routing” – in next post)

e. I record MIDI drums in Cubase with SD3 as plugin – I use 16-bit kits to minimise CPU load and latency. Once MIDI is recorded I can make minor alterations if required and the BIG advantage is at this stage I can pick any of my 89 user kits or mix and match. I also use 24-bit kits for all mixing and exporting audio. I also import any other audio tracks (for all other instruments) into Cubase so I can mix drums to suit. (see attached “recorded MIDI Cubase” – in next post)

f. I use SD3 plugin FIRST to make any adjustments to drum sounds and use the same combination as per b. above. I normally use drums tab to get correct mix of instrument levels but can also change mixer channel levs or Bus levels or individual output levels. It is SO FLEXIBLE.

g. THEN I use Cubase group channels to further alter overall drum bus volume (and any individual group channels) to suit the song I am drumming for. I also use Cubase effects and other plugins in Cubase at this stage to finalise the sounds and the drum mix.

h. Once I am happy with it all, I then export audio mixdown in Cubase (Mp3 or Wav) and either route to a single stereo track (drums only and also full mix with drums) or to 15 drums only audio stems.

i. Quite complex and took a while to set it all up but now I can record drums very quickly and also get a final result very quickly with lots of different drum kit sounds.

Hope this helps but remember it is specific to what I am doing as an E-drummer recording drum tracks which may not suit others.

I am doing this detail as I know I would have loved this type of help in my early days of SD3 and Cubase. cheers, Andrew

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