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[olliepudge]

John wrote:

Hi olliepudge,

the Mute Tail is not a separate articulation for trigger Learning, it is supposed to be triggered by Aftertouch if it is recorded (and loaded) for that Cymbal. Aftertouch is enabled by Default for such instruments but can be changed to Note Off triggering.

There are ‘Mute Hits’ recorded for most libraries but that is a separate articulation for keyboard triggering mainly.

BR,
John

Thanks John. I guess I’m just confused why the cymbal mute doesn’t default as an actual mute. As I mentioned before, this articulation is not a fast mute. It’s a cymbal hit with a delayed mute. When you choke a real cymbal, it mutes it obviously.

You mentioned keyboard triggering. I’m thinking as an actual drummer here and I know SD3 was partly designed for people who don’t play drums. I’m not familiar with aftertouch and I have no idea how any of that works, so I know that’s part of the issue.

That being said, I assure you that learning the mute tail in the Drums tab did work on my pads and my cymbals are muting correctly now.

Thanks,

Josh

[olliepudge]

Hi all. I figured this out. There are actually two options for muting cymbals. To set up your cymbals for a quick mute, you have to do this in the Drums tab under MIDI mapping. There is an articulation called mute tail I believe (or something like that) that is not listed if you are under the Edrums/MIDI tab under Settings for some reason. It’s at the bottom of the list when you select the cymbal. I used MIDI learn for all cymbals and it’s working perfectly now. Just wanted to post this in case anyone else comes across this issue.

To the Toontrack team, please add this articulation under the Edrums/MIDI tab under Settings in the next update. I would’ve solved this issue much sooner if it had been in the list. It is not there.

Also important to note, I’ve only done this in the Rock Foundry library. It might be different in other libraries. Thanks again to everyone for your help.

Josh

• The post has been modified 4 times, last modified 1 year ago by olliepudge.

[olliepudge]

Okay I’ll try that. Thanks

[olliepudge]

larsk wrote:

You funny little ignorant person 🙂
What are you doing in this thread “non-drummer”?
Stop trolling and crawl under your rock.

LOL! Right on Lars. I know this post is old, but it made me laugh. I don’t understand people. Whoever posted that made no sense at all. I’m assuming it was a guitarist.

And by the way, don’t ever bash drummers. We are the heartbeat of your song. We are not your drummers, you are our guitarists. 😀

• This post was modified 1 year ago by olliepudge.

[olliepudge]

Hi Toontrack Support,

I wanted to add that I just tested my drums with EZ Drummer 3 and the cymbals mutes are functioning normally. Any idea why I’m experiencing this problem with SD3?

Thanks,

Josh

[olliepudge]

Shootie wrote:

An afterthought is this. Do try the Pearl and Roland presets on the edrums tab in SD3. I assume they only affect mapping, but maybe aftertouch as well.

Yeah I found the user preset for the Pearl Mimic Pro and tried it. Everything is working perfectly except for the cymbal chokes. I will try the Roland preset as well. Thanks again Shootie.

Josh

[olliepudge]

Shootie wrote:

You first make sure you are using hardware that is capable of aftertouch. SD3 is already ready to receive it by default. You should go to a support group of your ekit manufacturer if you can’t figure it out for yourself. It sounds like it cannot not and it’s sending the midi note for choke instead, which if you don’t hit it at 100% velocity, it will not work correctly. There may be a workaround to send 100% velocity on a cymbal grab, but I do not know it.

Typically when you use edrums you mention your ekit manufacturer/model first thing or put it in your signature.

I hope it works out for you. Best of luck!

Thanks Shootie. I’m using Roland cymbals with the Pearl Mimic Pro module. I am not familiar with this aftertouch feature you mentioned and I’m sure this is something simple to fix. I just don’t know how. Hopefully someone from Toontrack can help.

I have to say that this is very strange. I don’t understand why a cymbal mute wouldn’t simply mute the cymbal when choking the pad. This is how a real cymbal works obviously, so I’m not sure why SD3’s default settings wouldn’t work this way with edrums. I appreciate you taking the time to help.

Josh

Reply To: Cymbal muting version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 11

[olliepudge]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

It is a specialized articulation that is meant to be used with the mute tail feature of Superior Drummer.  It is meant to be activated by using aftertouch or the note off value of the cymbal. It sounds proper using it this way.

jord

Thanks for the information. I just need to know how to set it so the cymbal simply mutes when I choke the cymbal pad.

Reply To: Cymbal muting version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 11

[olliepudge]

Sorry, I forgot to mention I’m talking about cymbal muting with electronic drums. I used MIDI learn to program the cymbal mute, but it doesn’t mute as I mentioned before. It rings out and then mutes. I just want it to simply mute when I choke the cymbal. Thanks.

Reply To: Cymbal muting version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 11

[olliepudge]

drumsareme wrote:

Hi.

As an owner of a bunch of SD3 SDX expansions, and the future owner of a bunch more :-), i’d like to request we have

the first full brushes/rods/mallets etc SDX, with multiple kits/cymbals (maybe at Hansa again? He has a gift for amazingly detailed broad pallete sounds and presets).

I ask this because im frustrated that Music City SDX is the only one that caters for modern mainstream brush kit sounds, and its still only 1 basic kit with 2 or 3 cymbals.

Every other brush kit in any other SDX is a Jazz sound…..

It’d be great to have a brushes SDX that allows features like Hansa SDX and EZdrummer 3, where there’s plenty of options for multiple rooms that have differences in dryness/ambience, multiple kits of differing drum sizes and crashes, hats and rides/rivets etc….  I’d love to have brush versions of the Masshoff Kits from Hansa SDX  😉 aswell as maybe a SDX with Chuck Ainley, seeing as he’s the guy that pulled the brush kit sound from Music City SDX ?

With all the folk, modern country and alternate music songwriting currently in popular music taste, surely this should be a priority for Toontrack ?  Admittedly i can understand that Metal is a big part of the Toontrack customer base, but i must admit, i was really disappointed that there was no brush kits in EZdrummer 3 , as i would have thought that that modern brush sound would be used alot by songwriters ?

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree.  I’m not even a jazz drummer or anything like that, but I have to say that I love playing my E-drums with the brush/mallet kits. I have a few on my drum module and I use them all of the time just for fun.  They seem to be the best when it comes to multi-layered drum samples.

[olliepudge]

olliepudge wrote:

John wrote:

olliepudge wrote:

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick. I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Hi,
it’s different in SD3, in the latest update as well. For me, the SD3 way is preferable but that’s me. I think it’s more compact and tidy in SD3; I select an instrument in the list, see what articulations are available (if any aren’t loaded), select what trigger I want to Learn, then click ‘Learn’ and select the next articulation, click Learn, hit Trigger, etc. I do not have to see the ‘Strike a note on your e-kit to assign…’ dialogue for every note.

Anyways, the 2 products are aimed at different type of users and have different workflows. If SD3 users want the EZ workflows implemented, ,who knows?
Feel free to post a Request in the Requests & Feedback section, it is monitored.
Info about what is coming/in development is never communicated via the Forum, however.

BR,
John

Thanks for the response and info John.  I’ll explore this some more.  I know one of my problems is not being patient enough when trying to figure this stuff out, so that’s on me.

Take care,

Josh

Hi John,

I have all of the drums figured out, but I can’t figure out the cymbal mutes.  The only option for a cymbal mute sounds like a crash being hit and then muted.  I don’t want that.  I just simply want the cymbal to mute.  They mute perfectly in EZD3 for some reason.  Can you help with this?

All other users,

Please don’t reply unless you have something useful to say.  I usually avoid these forums because of all the “know it alls” out there who do a lot of talking, but no helping.

If you can’t help or are just going say something stupid, then I’m not interested in any comment from you.  If you can help and you’re a decent normal person, feel free to chime in.

All other trolls, go back to making that hit song that no one is going to care about.  Your comments will be ignored.  This is not directed at anyone who has commented so far.  Just FYI. Thanks in advance! 😀

[olliepudge]

John wrote:

olliepudge wrote:

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick. I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Hi,
it’s different in SD3, in the latest update as well. For me, the SD3 way is preferable but that’s me. I think it’s more compact and tidy in SD3; I select an instrument in the list, see what articulations are available (if any aren’t loaded), select what trigger I want to Learn, then click ‘Learn’ and select the next articulation, click Learn, hit Trigger, etc. I do not have to see the ‘Strike a note on your e-kit to assign…’ dialogue for every note.

Anyways, the 2 products are aimed at different type of users and have different workflows. If SD3 users want the EZ workflows implemented, ,who knows?
Feel free to post a Request in the Requests & Feedback section, it is monitored.
Info about what is coming/in development is never communicated via the Forum, however.

BR,
John

Thanks for the response and info John.  I’ll explore this some more.  I know one of my problems is not being patient enough when trying to figure this stuff out, so that’s on me.

Take care,

Josh

[olliepudge]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I think you’re referring to the midi mapping on the Drums tab. That’s different than the Midi/e-Drum Settings to which the OP is referring to. And no one mentioned remapping.

jord

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

Correct Jord.  I also noticed I’m due for an SD3 update, so they could’ve added something I’m missing.  I’ll check that out.  They might have added this already.

Under the E-Drums tab in EZD3, you can select each drum, hit the learn button and it’s done.  You can do this for the rim, rimshots, and center hits.  Even the cymbal mutes can be learned.  Just thought it was pretty slick.

I’m hoping someone from Toontrack will respond to this eventually.  Thanks for your input guys.

Josh

[olliepudge]

drumjack52 wrote:

MIDI learn already exists in SD3. It’s part of the MIDI in/Edrums page.

Reply To: EZ Drummer 3 E-Drum (MIDI mapping/learn) for SD3 version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Thanks Jack.  I know it does, but they made it really simple in EZD3 under the E-Drums tab.  Hoping they can add the same setup to SD3.

[olliepudge]

relayer2022 wrote:

Damn it! I bought EZdrummer 2 less than 2 weeks ago. If I had known that EZdrummer 3 was landing in May I would have held off buying v2 so I can get the free upgrade to v3. From what I can see, there’s no grace period.

Reply To: EZDrummer 3 version: 2.2.3
Operating system: Windows 10

I’m pretty sure you get the upgrade for free if you just bought EZD2.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by olliepudge.

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