[mprinz]

Hi guys, I got here because:
Somehow, this morning, on the road to work, I was thinking like: Hm, if the drum kit is set up like in the Toontrack promotions the bleed recording has to contain also the  responses from the other kitparts like tom humming in case of hitting the kick or snare buzz when hitting the toms or bass drum. So to be perfect, there need to be bleed mic samples for each kit setup, which is of rediculous.

You got it? Of course the bleed IS x-talk from one instrument to anothers intrument mic, but let’s say the bass drum kick will not only create a bass drum kick sound through the tom mic, but it will also let the tom response to the fat sound of the kick. And that sound will depend on the tom in the setup.

So my guess was, without further testing, right now, that the other kit parts were mechanically muted during recording of the samples and its just like, how sounds the sampled kit part through an other mic on the kit. Which is fine, but for a moment, I was like… wait…heeww? Oh, hmm, ahhh, ok…

I tested with the SD3 core library. I found out, they recorded the bleed e.g. for the bass drum 14×26 Ludwig Classic 3ply with “only” a certain set. With muted bass drum channel, you can hear on the tom channel, the bass drum together with the excited toms, even though there are no tom instruments set up. I mean that’s completely ok, but that was the thing that hurts my brain when first I tried to get into the bleeding settings. Like… That’s not it! How to dial in the exited drum parts like ringing toms, wires etc. I mean maybe there is a difference between bleeding and x-talk? Anyway, these libraries are really detailed enough. But that is what happens, when a physicist starts to think. Now I hurt your brains?

So, with regard to this threads topic: The snare drums bleed of the bottom mic is not dependend to the snare, but to the kick drum, or floortom or whatever!
And there is “only” one bleed recording for each kit part, and for sure “only” in combination with a certain snare. The same is for the OH and ambience mics.
Of course the primary sounds are changed, but only combination with one kit setup.

Hi, Toontrack guys, I am right?

So, as a guess: If you want “a” snare bottom wire bleed sound you may add the correspondig bass drum from the snare library and mute the primary sound or if you want “the” snare wire sound, one could trigger also the side snare when trigger the kick and just use a subtle snare bottom signal.

I would really appriciate a short comment from the Toontrack support.

Greetings

Reply To: Second snare drum, bleed on bottom mic? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

Hi guys! Just for those reading until here:

I have a rather large kit. So, since I don’t want to set up esxtra instruments in a single SD3 instance, I pulled up 3.

1. main standard set, 4 toms etc.
2. high toms (or octobans), side snare, 2nd hihat
3. sample pad with percusssion, FX etc.

And I got 2 VST hosts that can do snapshots of the plugins and load them and mess around with MIDI, switching pad notes, whatever …

1. Cantabile 4.0
2. LiveProfessor2

Check then out!

Reply To: Multiple SD3 Instances slowing down computer version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

Sorry, guys. I am 10 year to late but the problem remains.

Even just to add instruments from another library will be nice with the possibilty to have IRs.

I mean, anyway I have kick, snare, toms, cymbals. That covers the whole frequency spectrum.

Anyone who knows a way to deconvolve the IR from the samples?

[mprinz]

Ahhhhhh, ok! That makes sense!

🙁 Damn it!

[mprinz]

Hi guys!

This morning I got such thoughts in my mind.

I got a bigger edrum set up and I would like to use the high tom pads – let’s say – as trigger for the RoH SDX RotoToms in combination with
the D&D SDX. Or some percussion from other EXZ like HipHop or whatever.

And I thought… hmmm. I got the idea with click and the IR creator. Yeah! That’s what I’ll try in the next days.

But it would be a really stunning feature by Toontrack providing a set of IR for each upcomming EZX or SDX.

I mean it like a few sine sweeps and baaam everybody would be happy.

And an effect that let us import those IR in a reverb. Now I have to route it out of SD3 and put a reverb on it.

Greetings

Manuel

PS: Oh, now I noticed it’S the EZD3 forum. Maybe that’s not a feature for EZD3 but for SD3. 🙂

Reply To: IR’s of the rooms the EZX’s are made in ? version: 3.0.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

Hi mates!

I am just wondering, that there are that few topics on that MIDI controller mixer thing.

I was searching for a “template” or preset that is shared for a Korg nanoKontrol2. 🙂

Thanks a lot!

Reply To: SD3 Mixer Midi Control version: 3.3.3
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

Hi John,

another general question concerning the MIDI mapping:

Example: I have a default instrument like let’s say racktom 2 with notes mapped 1,2,3,4,5 and 4 and 5 are alias notes.
Now I do a mapping on an added instrument. I map the note “4” to it. Will these double mapped note an the racktom 2 be deleted?

Do I have to take care of double mapped notes and delete those alias note from each instrument?

 

 

Greetings

 

Manuel

Reply To: TD-50X: TD-50 preset not mapping elements properly version: 3.2.5
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

But, hey, theese guys from Toontrack did their marketing on new edrum features.

And even me, as stinky hobby drummer, was quite upset, realizing that this is no longer possible with SD3 but with ED2 it was.

I used Plogue Bidule groups and group presets to pull up different kits from my user presets, now those configs are useless.

For those guys it should not be a big deal to implement that feature.

Yesterday, I put five SD3 instances in an Ableton Live MIDI track grouped in an instrument rack.

With the chain selector I switch between the instances AND I mapped the “device on” to the chain selector to save CPU cycles.

That is  ok for 5 VST instances and an Ableton Drum Rack. But I will have more and more presets. So … maybe different tracks with chains…

Some guys using Cantabile to save song states … I guess it’s a software like Gig Performer.

Nevertheless I am pissed off …

Reply To: SD3 MIDI Program Change? version: 3.2.4
Operating system: Windows 10

[mprinz]

I saw your post and had to answer:

Now, it’s may be usefull for the following readers:

For me it was the best thing I ever did: Buy a cheap Thomann Millenium MPS-850 and use a VST – namley EZDrummer2!
That’s sounds so damn good!!! Better than any no-pro drummers acoustic drum set can sound in a stinky rehearsal room.
You know what I mean. Some pro drummers may hear there set sounding like this in a studio through mics with the right
technician. With a VST instrument the price and brand of the edrum set doesn’t matter. There are the same 1$ piezos.
For me the expensive Roland modules don’t sound as good as EZDrummer2 does! The build quality is a factor of course.
The cymbals look and feel. HiHat controller maybe. But the MPS-850 Millenium controller does a great job.
I now use a DIY hall effect sensor as HiHat controller, just to, you know: “The journey is the destination”.

To be honest, I also use Plogue Bidule to do the remapping of the notes and pimped the kit with the great Audiofront eDrumIn4 modules
(150$, only trigger to MIDI interface), but using cheap pads. I bought another cheap Millenium/XDrum/Alesis 10″ tom pad, an ATV 13″ snare pad and several cymbal pads (Millenium and Roland CY-5). But anyway, even if your are not gear adicted, the Millenium MPS-850 is quite usable.

Greetings!

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