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[Jorg]

I just checked the midi implementation for the TD-50 and it says:

“*Examples of Actual MIDI Messages

99 2C 7F B9 04 7F 04 40

9n is the Note-on status, and n is the MIDI channel number. BnH is the Control Change status, and n is the MIDI channel number. Thus, the above messages have the following meaning.
99 2C 7F
B9 04 7F
(B9) 04 40
In other words, with these messages a Note On message with a note number of
44 (G#2) and velocity of 127 is transmitted on MIDI Channel 10, and then the foot controller value is set from 127 to 64.
According to the settings made at the factory, the drum part is assigned to MIDI Channel 10, Note Number 44 is assigned to the pedal hi-hat, and the foot controller is set to Pedal CC; in this case, the TD-50 plays a foot splash when the message is received.”

The only difference with the TD-27 is “and then the foot controller value is set from 127 to 64” which says “and then the foot controller value is set from 90 to 45”. This could be useful to implement a TD-27 mapping.

As I mentioned before, the TD-27 allows the user to change the HH border note from 90 to 127, because it supports the roland VH-10, 11, 12 and 13, that’s the first middle range module to support that!. If you only play with the module sounds and use a VH-10, 11 leave it at 90, however if you use a VH-12 or 13 or trigger SD3 you must change it to 127 to have SD3 interpreting the full 0-127 spectrum.

Ideally SD3 would have a setting to choose from different roland hihats, let’s say if I have a VH-10 I would be able to pick it up from the SD3 hihats menu and SD3 would make the necessary settings for you, just dreaming, how cool that’d be?

That’s considering one is using a moving hihat, I’ve heard some use a pedal controller like FD-7 or FD-8 and say it triggers better since there are less moving parts involved. But I won’t consider it since having a moving hihat is essential for me. Some have “modded” an FD7 and put it on a stand and they say it works perfectly but I never seen it action, so…

Ok, enough rambling for today…

[Jorg]

Continuing with this, the TD-27 sends the Hi-Hat midi notes attached in the picture, selecting the TD-50 mapping it maps this articulations correctly as seen in the picture 2, however SD3 maps for some reason the open pedal articulation, which is the cause of the issue, to note 23 and the closed pedal to 21,10 and 44.

Roland says in their midi implementation guide:

“■Examples of Actual MIDI Messages

B9 04 5A 99 2C 7F B9 04 2D

9n is the Note-on status, and n is the MIDI channel number. BnH is the Control Change status, and n is the MIDI channel number. Thus, the above messages have the following meaning.
B9 04 5A MIDI ch. 10, foot controller: 5AH
99 2C 7F MIDI ch. 10, Note On message

B9 04 2D MIDI ch. 10, foot controller: 2DH

In other words, with these messages a Note On message with a note number of 44 (G#2) and velocity of 127 is transmitted on MIDI Channel 10, and then the foot controller value is set from 90 to 45.
According to the settings made at the factory, the drum part is assigned to MIDI Channel 10, Note Number 44 is assigned to the pedal hi-hat, and the foot controller is set to Pedal CC; in this case, the TD-27 plays a foot splash when the message is received.”

So there should be a way for SD3 to interpret a quick closing of the pedal always as a chick sound instead of mistriggering open pedal articulations, how, well, I’m not the expert here…. let’s say “if pedal closed is greater than 5 miliseconds trigger closed pedal, else trigger splash” or something like that.

[Jorg]

Just select the cross stick articulation, go to midi learn and hit the pad you want to trigger this sound.

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Thanked by: pacificm

[Jorg]

You’ll have to change all the midi notes in your second module and use the learn function in SD3 to assign different sounds to module 1, not sure if you will be able to use 2 hihats or 2 rides though…

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Thanked by: dmb7

[Jorg]

Select the kick and adjust its individual level, no need to increase sensitivity in the module. Ride has also this issue, barely audible with the clean kits.

[Jorg]

Did you change the USB mode to “Vendor” in the USB Audio settings?

[Jorg]

When I play with the module only, I can play as fast as I want and I get always clean chicks, so it’s not something with the pad itself or the module, it’s more how the midi sent by the module is being seen by Superior and the open pedal articulation, as I mentioned before, I’m using the TD-50 Mapping, can someone with a TD-50 and a VH-11 or 10 check if it shows the same issue?

[Jorg]

Mark King wrote:

It sounds like there is very little experience with the td27 and vh10. Do check that the full range of cc is being sent as that was a problem with the vh11 where the module was set to 90 and not 127

the TD-27 supports sending HH cc 90 or 127, I’ve tried both, recalibrated it using the hihat calibration, but still the same

[Jorg]

The only solution is to turn off the „open pedal“ articulation. But then I have no splash sounds.

[Jorg]

It’s most probably formatted in windows NTFS. Format it to apfs using the disk utility in mac

[Jorg]

700$, 750$ at the most…

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Thanked by: Jakub Ludziejewski

[Jorg]

SOLD!

[Jorg]

Timothy Brannigan wrote:

I’m having the same problem and it’s been driving me crazy for months. Could it have to do with using a midi to usb adaptor into a usb hub? Right now I’m using a Roland TD-10 kit to trigger Superior 3. I’ve adjusted the trigger velocity in the sound module which only helps a little bit. It also ruins the dynamics which makes using e-drums inferior to programming with a keyboard. Please help!

• This post was modified 5 years, 5 months ago by Timothy Brannigan.

you need a proper USB audio interface, there’s no way around that…

[Jorg]

Still struggling with the Hihat, tried many things to no avail, still triggering open sounds when doing fast chicks…

[Jorg]

too expensive for a td-11 kit, you could get a td-25k now with better module for that price…

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Thanked by: Jakub Ludziejewski

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