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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Oh? I can right click on say the snare in a core library and switch from sticks to rods but the MIDI note assignment stays the same.

Exactly! You’re now using the snare with rods and not sticks.  They are considered separate kit pieces. It would be no different if you had changed to a different brand snare.

jord

But if I want to use rods full time I don’t need to load another kit piece. Just change to rods and move on with it. You’re saying otherwise right?

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monopauli wrote:

Would like to mimic the setup of my actual kit.

 

Sorry – there’s no re-arranging kit pieces in the SD3 gui. If your hihat is in back of your snare how do you get to the hihat pedal? Unless you’re on an ekit and the snare is suspended off the rack? Even so that would make for an awkward reach to the hat and could lead to physical problems in your shoulders and wrists down the road.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

In addition to Jack’s post, kit pieces, using rods would be separate than those using sticks. To switch between sticks and rods, you would either need to load those kit pieces additionally, within your preset, thus requiring different, MIDI notes, or you would have to load a separate instance of Superior Drummer with your kit pieces containing rods, if you want to simply switch between the two without changing MIDI notes.

jord

Oh? I can right click on say the snare in a core library and switch from sticks to rods but the MIDI note assignment stays the same. Snare center for example is still D1 in the MIDI in/edrums page. Now if you want to be able to switch on the fly then yeah you’d need a separate kit piece but not if you want to use rods full time.

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No. Even if you change the kit piece that’s in back of the snare the hihat won’t move. You’d get another hihat but the graphic will not be a hihat. Why would you want to do that?

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hixsonia wrote:

Hi Jack,

Reformatted in ExFat just to try something other than APFS (didn’t help obviously). I don’t really need to index the drive as all the files are being called from there respective hosts, i.e.; BFD3. EZDrummer 3, SD3, etc. so no need to do Spotlight searches on it.

Yes first install was fine but moving all drum samples to a new drive for future expansions (I have a shit-load of photos and my music library on the drive that I’m moving from and need more space).

I agree with  Jordan as well, just happened to be 2 files that were in my SD3 Sounds folder. There is no blame from me on SD3, as I said in a prior response, I just wish Toontrack aloud me to download specific, named kits instead of the whole library. If I knew what kits those 2 files belong to, it would make all this go away.

Thank for chiming in!!

Jeff

Toontrack does what it does with the files as blocks of data as part of anti-theft process. Same reason NI does with Kontakt, EW with Play/Opus libraries. I’m sure there are other reasons for doing what they’re doing. All this talk about downloading and replacing the files is just like taking Advil to help with the pain of a broken leg. It’s only masking the real issue of the broken leg. What I’m getting at is it happened once and will more likely than not happen again. If you didn’t take proper anti-static precautions when installing the drive in the enclosure something could have gotten zapped. You might not even feel or have felt the zap but it can happen. What I still don’t understand is what was/is causing the drives to eject? Could be hardware (intermittents are a pain to find) or could even be malware. Or even power if that UGreen is bus powered.

As far as fast drives they’re not that expensive. I know Crucial used to be good back in the day. Personally I use Samsung SSD’s for main storage and Western Digital Black for all my long term backup storage. All fed with good clean power. The actual drive – is it a bog standard SSD or NVME type?

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hixsonia wrote:

This is why I was trying, desperately to not have to re-download…

I haven’t seen download speeds that slow since Verizon was on copper line. Do you have someplace else you can go to to do the download? Are you direct connect or on wireless?

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hixsonia wrote:

Thanks again Jordan,

Not really saying it’s Toontrack issue but a corrupted file or a bad sector issue. Formatted in ExFat and tried again and I would think it would write to a different sector but unfortunately, same result.

Guess I’ll just have to bite the bullet and reinstall the whole 90 gigs.

Thanks again!

Why did you reformat to exfat? There’s no need for that if you’re not going to exchange with a Windows user. Did your SD3 install work before you decided to move it? If so then I highly doubt you have a corrupted file (unless the drive it was on was corrupted). Like Jord said this is NOT an SD3 issue as such – it just happened to get caught up in this brouhaha.

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hixsonia wrote:

UGreen in a very fast (200MB per second) external SSD connected via USB C (Thunderbolt). Formatted as APFS (as SD3 support suggests).

Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

• This post was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by hixsonia.

That’s not all that fast. Can you transfer anything else to that drive without it ejecting? Your problem might just be that drive. Go to OWC (Other World Computing) at https://eshop.macsales.com or Newegg and get a real external drive enclosure and drive.

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What is a ‘U Green’ drive? Never heard of it. How is it connected to you Mac? Have you formatted the drive on your computer? I have never seen a case of moving files on a Mac causing the disk to eject unless the disc is faulty.

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That depends on how the library was recorded. I know the core library has the options of sticks/rods/brushes on some kit pieces. All Death & Darkness and Area 33 have are sticks. Right click on a kit piece and it should tell you if that option is available and it’s on a per kit piece basis and not for the whole kit.

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That depends on how the library was recorded. I know the core library has the options of sticks/rods/brushes on some kit pieces. All Death & Darkness and Area 33 have are sticks. Right click on a kit piece and it should tell you if that option is available and it’s on a per kit piece basis and not for the whole kit.

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Something I’ve found that when working on my own stuff and therefore not under a time constraint is to work on a tune for a bit and then maybe let it sit for some time like days or even weeks and then come back to it. Fresh ears. Maybe I’ll work on something else and then come back.

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Kim Mossige wrote:

In mixing mainly through Audeze MM-500, and for monitoring its a pair of iloud micro at ear height, treated room with fairly low echo when listening in the room. Using Apollo x6 and a pair of x414 for recording.

Several Studios i know here have real kits and dont have the luxury of changing up snare sounds other than adding sample layers to them, but most of the engineers I’ve spoken to like to deaden their snare in a mix. Note that’s not the reason I do it, I have a weakness for dead 70s sound. In my opinion it’s not a mix problem but artistic clash maybe. Agreed that the midnight kit was better.

 

 

What I was getting at in my previous post here is that that dead snare sound is NOT working for the music in question. If you want this track to work you need to change it. I have weaknesses for certain sounds but they don’t work for everything. Is this something you’re doing for yourself or a client?

Those MM500 cans are pretty darned good and way better than those little computer desktop speakers you’re using. A 3 inch woofer? If that’s all you have room for that’s one thing and at best I’d use them as check speakers.

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There’s nothing wrong with writing automation – it’s a basic part of any recordists repertoire. It will definitely help your mix to sit well. That muffled sound is what’s wrong with your mix. It’s not what the tune you’re working on needs. Sure you might like that sound but that doesn’t mean it’ll work with the project. Good drummers know how to play what the tune needs and not what they think is cool. Audio engineers also are that way (or they should be).

It’s good to have reference tracks – nothing wrong. But the genius is knowing when to change things. What’s cool in one genre might not be cool in another. Also don’t be a slave to a certain sound. Don’t be afraid to customize a sound for what the tune needs.

Something that just came to me – what’s your setup like? Do you have any acoustic treatment? What are you using for monitor speakers? You don’t need a pro-level studio setup but I’m wondering if you are really hearing things right.

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The problem of loading times is that drive – the transfer speed is way too slow. What exact computer do you have? What ports do you have on it?

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Kim Mossige wrote:

But the drums do need some compression, losing all processing will just make it a raw drum recording? Don’t want to cut too much on the guitars, as I want then to bloom on top of everything when solo comes. I’ve already removed quite a lot of 500 mid on them.

Dead/muffled snare seemed to be the only thing fitting, I have an even bigger issue with wet snares on general 😬 trying to get that Steve Jordan Snare from Vultures

• This post was modified 5 months, 3 weeks ago by Kim Mossige.

Compression is different than eq. First try things without any external processing and you may be surprised that the sound will be way better. Trust Jord and I on this as we’ve been doing this for decades. If you want the guitars to ‘bloom on top of everything’ when the solo comes – learn to do automation of levels of the guitars in the song. Or use ducking on the tracks other than guitar. That dead/muffled snare doesn’t fit with anything. If this is the type of thing you’re playing for your buddies no wonder they’re critical of the sound.

What would help you immensely is to watch some YouTube videos on mixing. As a quickie help on toms (rack and floor) I cut a bit of 400 HZ and around 200 Hz on a snare – trim to taste. And to tame obnoxious cymbals try a deesser – they’re not just for vocals. I rarely use eq to boost freqs. The only eq I use on drums is just what I mentioned. The only other processing is a compressor on the drum 2 bus and a limiter to catch overs but I DON”t drive into that limiter.

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