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John wrote:

Hi, Jack’s advice is good I just want to add another way of doing it, namely using Instrument Tracks instead of Aux Tracks.
This way you can, if you wish to, separate the MIDI for different instruments onto different Tracks as well, all pointing to the SD3 plug-in.

I had made a quick Template for this earlier, just checked it and it seems set up correct. It’s attached to this post.

I had routed the 2 buses to separate outputs in the Pro tools mixer as well, this practice is good if you wish to route Sends/Busses from the SD3 mixer to the PT mixer. Scenarios can be if you wish to Send to a Reverb in your PT mixer for the Snare but you do not want the reverb applied to your entire Snare channel (e.g. Snare Top+SnareBottom both routed to 3/4) but only the Snare Top. Or simply that you wish to have the Bus return separately treated in the PT mixer.

I do recommend following Jack’s advice to read up on creating Track Templates, they can be a real time-saver.

BR,
John

The reason I do what I do is that PT sometimes has the nasty habit of forgetting it’s MIDI assignments. Spreading that over possibly a dozen or more MIDI tracks can be a nightmare trying to sort out. It’s not a bad idea to do what John says – you just have to be aware of possible issues. What he doesn’t talk about is using the split notes feature to split the notes to different tracks. It’s actually split by pitch to separate tracks. It can be real helpful when dealing with a drum deal that has four rack toms. Most SDX’s don’t have 4 rack toms as part of their usual setup. Combine that with SD3’s GM mapping (if that’s what you use) has the rack toms mapped wrong – the high rack tom is supposed to be mapped to D2 which by default is mapped to something else in SD3.

BTW – the proper term in PT is track preset and not template for what I’m talking about. Full disclosure – been using PT since PT 10. My screen name over on the DUC is musicman691. It’s a very helpful community as long as you give them enough to work with. Like I say there’s no such thing as TMI (too much info) that you can give there when asking for help. Or any forum for that matter.

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Jack
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PT 2021.6
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Ron Robson wrote:

Seeking advice on setting up SD3 to Pro Tools Ultimately,...

Seeking advice on setting up SD3 to Pro Tools

Ultimately, what I would like to do is create a template on Pro Tools recording from my Alesis Strike Pro SE drum kit via SD3, so I can bounce the tracks to create a new session. Any advice, direction, video links, etc, would be greatly appreciated.

 

Reply To: Mapping Superior Drummer 3 to Pro Tools 2021 version: 3.1.3
Operating system: Windows 10

Seeking advice on setting up SD3 to Pro Tools

Ultimately, what I would like to do is create a template on Pro Tools recording from my Alesis Strike Pro SE drum kit via SD3, so I can bounce the tracks to create a new session. Any advice, direction, video links, etc, would be greatly appreciated.

 

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Operating system: Windows 10

Are you using the Alesis to trigger sounds in SD3 which is in PT? If so you need to connect a MIDI cable from the Alesis to your computer and then setup things on the computer side so it sees the Alesis. You probably have this done already but I’m making n o assumptions on what you’ve done (or not done) already. Another obvious step is to insert SD3 on a PT instrument track – that way it’ll receive the MIDI from the Alesis as well as host SD3. Don’t forget to select the MIDI preset for your Alesis in SD3.

I’ll outline what I do with SD3 and that is to treat it as I would a regular acoustic kit. In the SD3 mixer select ‘apply multichannel outputs’ and a number of audio outputs will be constructed in SD3 with the outputs of each kit piece routed to an appropriate mixer output channel. Then in PT create the same number of aux channels that exist in SD3. In each input field select the audio output from SD3 you want routed to that track. Note that the audio output 1/2 from SD3 gets auto-routed to the instrument track hosting SD3. The reason I create aux tracks to receive the audio from SD3 is so I don’t have to mess with record enable to hear the audio if I use audio tracks instead. In the creation of all this I also route the output of each aux track receiving SD3 audio to an audio track. Until I’m ready to render all the tracks I route every aux track and every audio track to a sub-bus aux track I name Drum Bus 1. I have a send off that track to a track that holds the reverb for the drums. The outputs of both Drum Bus 1 and the Drum ‘verb track’ get routed to another aux bus I name Drum Bus 2. I then save all this as a track preset in PT ( I suggest reading up on that in the PT manual or ask over on the DUC – Avid PT forum). That way when I need drums I just create a new track using PT’s ‘new track’ menu item, drill down to the preset I want and hit Return. Voila and if it’s all set up right you’ll have a whole bunch of tracks ready to do drum duty.

Attached are 2 screenshots to help out

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Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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Mark King wrote:

There are actually very few posts on the sd3 forum. Most are about not understanding it and not bugs. Others are computer related where most problems could be avoided. I go on other forums like Cubase and rme and there a whole lot more posts there than on here.

There is a pre sales part you can access and ask questions on all the product forums. I prefer this way of doing it so the forums don’t get clogged up with loads of questions to wade through.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Mark King.

Yes there is a presales part that anyone can read but you don’t tend to see the technical stuff people would like to know about before buying. Part of what’s being talked about here is that you can’t even read about the technical stuff unless you own the specific product you want to look at. Shouldn’t have to be that way. There’s no logical reason for it. Again I’m talking about read, not post to a forum.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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Mac McCormick wrote:

I could see if they didn’t allow people who had not purchased the product to write in their forum. But to prevent them from reading it? I don’t get it.

Reply To: Really? you need to be registered for a specific product… version: 3.2.8
Operating system: Windows 10

Same here. I often cruise forums to see what’s up with software I’m interested in. Even just reading things sometimes answers my questions.

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Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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Wow – talk about ridiculous. When I was casting about for a replacement for BFD 3 I looked into Toontrack and it’s drum wares. Having to own either of those programs before I could ask a question about it seemed bizarre. And now to find out that even though I own SD3 I can’t ask about EZD3 in it’s own forum?

I understand about having to setup an account to be able to read or post to a product’s forum in some cases because of Spam issues but this?

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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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patrick maguire wrote:

Is there a way to search this forum?  I’m only...

Is there a way to search this forum?  I’m only getting errors.
As it is now , google is the only way to search this forum.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by patrick maguire.

Is there a way to search this forum?  I’m only getting errors.
As it is now , google is the only way to search this forum.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by patrick maguire.

A lot of site search engines don’t work all that well. Try using the site: operator in your favorite search engine. Example:

superior site:toontrack.com

Jack
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me to show some etiquette – as you should remember I speak plainly and don’t hesitate to call someone out when they need to be done so. I am who I am and am NOT going to change that to suit you. It’s because of people like you that others don’t post on forums when they need help. Just wish this forum had an ‘ignore’ button.

Once again, you have it backwards and descibed your character than mine. If you want to call anyone out, then prepare to be called out yourself.

jord

Describing my character was all my post was ever meant to do – I never said I was describing anyone else’s character. Don’t know where you got that idea from. I don’t have anything backwards. Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
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Jack
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I’m going to make one request of you since this forum doesn’t seem to have an ignore or block function: stay away from me. I don’t need nor want your help. Oh and on the old fxpansion/BFD forum I used a completely different screen name that was a combo of my first name and ham radio call sign.

You didn’t have to tell who you were on the forum. I know exadtly who you are right down to your playing card avatar.

Plain and simple: don’t post on a forum if you cannot handle the response from me or anyone. If you wish to post information that I clearly find questionable in relation to the forum, I won’t hesitate to post an answer, whether you may agree with the information in it or not. Perhaps, I will give you same advice just as I did on the BFD forum: show some etiquette and act a bit more professional in your posts. Remember that you answered back with a borderline condescending tone of “How do you know?” type of response to a purely informational answer which would have been more geared to the OPs request than yours.

jord

• The post has been modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Bear-Faced Cow"> 2 times, last modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

I don’t need you or anyone else to tell me to show some etiquette – as you should remember I speak plainly and don’t hesitate to call someone out when they need to be done so. I am who I am and am NOT going to change that to suit you. It’s because of people like you that others don’t post on forums when they need help. Just wish this forum had an ‘ignore’ button.

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Since you quoted 2 different posters here and the forum s/w makes it impossible to edit a quote or a post I have to do it this way.

We’re only talking standard editing tools here.

Since you mention one of TT’s competitors possibly being where our paths have crossed it rings a bell – the old fxpansion/BFD forums? I see the tiger has not changed his stripes. You couldn’t take my straight talking before and you can’t do that now.

I knew I recognized the acid tone from somewhere! At least you remembered that part. However, I think you have it very much backwards: it is you who seems to find my responses hard to swallow, both yesterday and today. However, you are free to believe what you wish as it really has no bearing. Heck, if rhino hide looks like tiger fur to you, who am I to argue with your beliefs?

Given enough time I could possibly figure out how do what what’s being talked about. Heck it only took me a day to figure out how to change gui colors in ProTools when they went dark mode as an alternate scheme. Then Avid integrated the ability for ends users to do their own changes and not have to muck with the code.

This is not about modifying a simple resource here. The unpredictability of the file in a different spot lends itself to the fact that it does not account for which library needs to be loaded. You cannot simply add in the information and expect that SD3 is just going to accept it. In fact, you might get quite the opposite effect. TT will probably have to do some upward compatible mods to their preset file, or as I suggested above, modify the UI a bit.  But hey, follow your own beliefs and muck with SD3 all you want. I hope for your own sake that you figure it out. Only reason I won’t is because my day is filled with enough coding as it is and at the end of the day, SD3 is for music as far as I go, and I prefer to keep that boundary and let Olof, Andreas & crew do the fantastic job of letting me keep that boundary.

jord

I’m going to make one request of you since this forum doesn’t seem to have an ignore or block function: stay away from me. I don’t need nor want your help. Oh and on the old fxpansion/BFD forum I used a completely different screen name that was a combo of my first name and ham radio call sign.

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Jord:

Since you quoted 2 different posters here and the forum s/w makes it impossible to edit a quote or a post I have to do it this way. I wrote this first paragraph:

Well being that I don’t know you my response was right on. Don’t know where you get I talked about people having a dismissive attitude towards me. You act like you know it all and don’t like when someone challenges your way of thinking. I don’t know what you have against me – have I wronged you in another lifetime? What is this ‘itchy ears’ thing anyways?

Your reponse to me was this;

My answers were solely based on your responses to me. Nothing more. Feel free to draw your own conclusions.

As for not knowing you, something tells me our paths crossed in another forum… perhaps TT’s competitors. The patterned response speaks rather clear to me.

My response to you is thus:

Since you mention one of TT’s competitors possibly being where our paths have crossed it rings a bell – the old fxpansion/BFD forums? I see the tiger has not changed his stripes. You couldn’t take my straight talking before and you can’t do that now.

Given enough time I could possibly figure out how do what what’s being talked about. Heck it only took me a day to figure out how to change gui colors in ProTools when they went dark mode as an alternate scheme. Then Avid integrated the ability for ends users to do their own changes and not have to muck with the code.

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That, my friend, is your problem. Not mine. And with a response as yours, I probably wouldn’t blame them for their dismissive attitude. However, anyone who knows me knows that if I said I’ve tried something, I have indeed done just that. Not to mention that they also know that I am not the type of entertain itchy ears, but somehow I think you might already be aware of that.

You’re not the only one who’s been doing this for decades. Not to mention the only cynic around (life has a way of doing that).

That being said, the very reason presets work the way they currently do is probably the same reason they grouped them as such. I’m sure they can figure out ways to make them upward compatible the best thing that can be done at this time is to submit a feature request. Either way doesn’t concern me much since I usually know where to find the user preset I am looking for since I would be looking for a specific sound associated to the producer who recorded them for the song at hand.

jord

Well being that I don’t know you my response was right on. Don’t know where you get I talked about people having a dismissive attitude towards me. You act like you know it all and don’t like when someone challenges your way of thinking. I don’t know what you have against me – have I wronged you in another lifetime? What is this ‘itchy ears’ thing anyways?

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Of course I tried it! I’ve been using this software long enough to try many things people wouldn’t think of. 10 years of beta-testing their competitors has taught me to go beyond traditional use. TT was even to confirm some of the stuff I tried.

Perhaps, don’t be so assuming. You know what they say about that.

jord

I can’t assume that you tried what I wrote. I’ve learned to be a skeptic about things and need proof before accepting anyone’s statement. You could have said that you’d tried it and that would have ended the conversation. I don’t need a sermon on the subject. I’ve spent a lot of time (decades) making s/w do things the developers never thought of or said could be done. Same for h/w.

Your ‘Ive been doing this forever’ thing is wearing thin on me.

Reply To: User presets stored with original library version: 3.3.0
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Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That won’t work as expected. It will try to load the preset in the current library rather than switch libraries and could cause some unpredictabilities.

jord

How do you know? Have you tried it? Just saying it won’t work without trying it doesn’t get it.

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Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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[drumjack52]

In a way SD3 gives a clue as to how to maybe solve this issue. Page 24 in the manual gives a clue. In the Drums and Mixer Presets tab there’s an option to ‘manage in Finder (Mac)’ or ‘manage in Explorer (Windows)’ What might work is to have duplicates of the presets in each of the folders done by working in either Finder (Mac) or Explorer (Win). Have actual duplicates in each and NOT use aliases or symlinks. Not a simple operation but it just might help out.

What I don’t know is do the presets make settings for a general setting like kick in level in say the core library or kick in in say Death & Darkness or whatever library? That is is it specific to a certain library or what?

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Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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Mark King wrote:

I’ve been using this from the outset and have two expansions. You even have to go into the specific room in Hansa to get to a preset!

So I totally agree. Let us group presets how we like and sd3 can then choose the correct kit when we choose a preset. It’s a real pain trying to find a kit when you can’t remember what pack or part of a pack you created it in.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Mark King.

That’s weird that it happens in Hansa. I imagine it’s the same thing with D&D? What happens if you create a kit that’s a mix of a kit from say Hansa with some kit pieces from say Death? You’re in Hansa and use a kick from Death – does the preset get stored in Hansa? Or Death?

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.0
Area 33 1.0.0
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PT 2021.6
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