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[Damir]

Hi Heapster, I have asked the same question and unfortunately it’s bad news, in stand alone mode Easy Drummer 3 is designed in such a way that it does nothing for you unless you are a genius Drummer that creates songs by creating drums first with the song already created in your head, you are expected to use an imaginary sound track to create your drums first then export this drum track to a DAW to then start recording  the rest of the song using this drum track as a guide. Now this apparently seems logical to EAZY Drummer 3 creators, while to the 99.9% of the rest of us it really is useless and badly sucks cause the Bandmaster itself is great, the Song and Grid editor is very nice it’s just all put together it was designed for genius drummers that have supers human powers.

Or maby it was just designed by a Drummer 😂.

sorry for the bad news, but you can always introduce a complicated DAW and add the EZD3 to it so with this complicated mess you can attempt to create a song with drums behind it, good luck!

EZD3 should be renamed to CD3 COMPLICATED DRUMMER 3 there is nothing EAZY about it cause it’s just a messy waste of time with a DAW and a useless peace of junk in stand alone mode.

The best thing about it it has great sounding drums, great individual sections that are easy and great to use, but it is a peace of crap if you put them all together to do something creative.

In Stand alone mode,

It can’t record audio directly in to it,

you can’t place an audio track in to it and edit to the audio track

really messy playhead/looping function logic

If you like to have a slow and messy workflow than EZD3 if perfect for you, it’s also a fantastic drum sound module with a daw but in stand alone mode it has no purpose unless you just like to arrange drum tracks and your imagination to create material.

Hopefully Toontracs are listening and will slightly rearrange the software to make it true to its name.

Good luck! If you find a simple solution to our problem I would appreciate you response, at the moment I am putting up with it using Logic Pro which I have just bought the latest version it will be interesting to see it’s Drummer capabilities, perhaps it might be easier to achieve my goals using it only then deciding to which one sounds better and using EZD3 as a sound module only.

Good luck!

Damir, a frustrated ED3 user.

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Damir.

[Damir]

Just change your project to 2/4

[Damir]

BUG REPORT

In song mode as you play in this section and have number of loops in the song, while the drums are playing if you place the pointer to edge of loop to stretch it the pointer is unstable and makes it hard to grab the edge of loops.

[Damir]

How do we easily get to feedback/bug reports and new features request on the website.

why is it so hard to contact you in that regard, no wonder the software is full of little bugs that don’t get addressed immediately, it’s because you are too hard to contact.

How do I contact you easily ?

 

BUG report.

In Song mode if you use splice and create a section then copy it and then paste to the timeline pointer the pasted version is shifted half a bar to the right and half of it is missing.

This is totally unusable and I would be very surprised if it hasn’t been reported already.

 

UNDO REDO function buttons don’t work.

The only way you can undo/redo is open EDIT then choose these options.

This is ridiculous as you are always needing these functions in the editing process and expect them to be one click away at all times.

 

SONG MODE audio monitoring not heard.

When you reposition the playhead in Song mode to quickly hear your edit you don’t hear the daw audio you only hear drums, well that’s as useful as tits on a bull, why would you not want to hear you editing of drums in comparison to the project you are working on, ITS CRAZY LOGIC OR I SHOULD SAY LAZY DEVELOPMENT LOGIC HANDING OVER MORE TIME WASTING TO THE USER.

We have a MUTE/SOLO functions for those needs in the DAW, from editing perspective of logic I give this software 3 out of 10.

I don’t tolerate poor logic easily.

Yet you also can’t hear the Audio track you have loaded to BANDMASTER as a guide track in stand alone mode, this is totally ridiculous logic and the software has no purpose but playing drums on their own to an imaginary project you can’t hear. 😳

I have been left speechless, I’ve only used this software to place backing tracks to two songs and have discovered so many bugs , poor logic of operation that it would be quicker to do my drums the old fashioned way, just play everything in manually in a DAW and use EZD3 as a sound module.

 

BANDMATE SUGGESTIONS

When you create a loop point and hit play, it should immediately play from the beginning of loop point, because that’s obviously what you want to work on and hear, the MIDI section below should also be only highlighted within this loop point so if you are happy with what you hear and see you can simply select the midi section and drag it to SONG MODE, this way you can simply choose sections of material and keep building your SONG quickly, but as I said earlier then you go to SONG MODE to complete your project and then you are screwed you can’t hear shit.

I thought the idea of BANDMASTER was to be able to quickly load an audio file and get a drum track for it, how is this possible with current work flow in stand alone mode.

I like the fact the position pointer remembers its last position but when you choose or modify a loop point this logic should change so the pointer goes to beginning of loop point then if you place the position pointer elsewhere than it remembers that position until you touch your loop controls, this makes workflow faster and logical otherwise you are continually farting around with the position pointer and loop points, when you consider you have 3 areas of this it becomes a shitstorm of confusion , frustration and time wasting.

that’s it for now I shall attempt to complete my second song and see what other bugs I will find along the way.

Love the sounds

Love the grid Editor

Love the song mode

LOVE BANDMASTER!

ABSOLUTELY HATE HOW THEY WORK TOGETHER  AND THE FINAL LACK OF OBJECTIVE IN STAND ALONE MODE.

[Damir]

Thanks so much Shootie, I will keep that in mind, but I persevered and completed my drum track to an audio file considering I spent more time stuffing around than seriously editing it came out ok, I have to apologise yes there is an undo for song mode and grid editor but it’s in the EDIT menu, it works there but the two large UNDO REDO buttons don’t seem to work either they operate on another part of the software or they just don’t function.

I would definitely only have one UNDO REDO SMACK IN YOUR FACE AND WORKING ON EVERYTHING. But that’s me.

I think EZD3 needs our help to perfect it so we don’t age prematurely.

[Damir]

Hi Shootie, ive started getting stuck in to EZD3 and cant get anywhere i dont know where to start theres so many wrong things of not working things or just plain dumb things.

Can you tell me where i can give this feedback to loony toons, ive just tried song mode and have been trying for days to place drums on a relatively simple song i almost finished and then it all went pare shape on me as i was doing the ending i dont kow how or why but i managed to loose a number of loops out of song mode, i did nothing unusual that i am aware off so i hit undo, i couldnt believe it, it does nothing UNDO DOES NOT WORK IN SONG MODE, CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS! So now half my creation has dissapeared and ive just wasted 2 days, this is just the begining of my frustration , i really dont know where to start, shifting copying in song mode sucks , creating a song section in Band Master and dragging it to song mode gives you extra bars of i dont know what, nothing seems to work reliably, god damn looping is fighting eachother in DAW , SONG MODE , GRID EDITOR , BANDMASTER, What the hell were they thinking when they created this mish mash of stupidity.

The daw loop keeps playing yet the plugins loop playing its own thing, loops get out of sync easily, zoom in out requires banoculas to find it and if you are not careful you will create a ship load of song tracks because the damn plus sign is easily mistakingly hit

These things ive found in the first few minutes of trying to do a very basic task and thats to replace a bad audio recording  starting with drums, i have purchased eazy bass , eazy mix, eazy keys Eazy drummer 2 and 3, superior drummer 3 but have not tried  them yet because EZD3 had Bandmaster and thats what sold it to me plus your videos got me to buy all the products , but so far EZD3 is very dissapointing its like picking up a good loking chick then seeing her in the morning without makeup.

As you can tell i am pissed.

Love your work!

Oh just now as i entered my version 3.0.2 which i installed today,  but there appears to be a version 3.0.3 according to the list, yet using Product Manager does not appear to have it available, seems like even thats out of sync. 😂

Reply To: Inconsistent velocity input version: 3.0.2
Operating system: macOS Big Sur (11)

[Damir]

Hi Paul it sounds like you are doing exactly what I am, load a single song with bad recording quality and beefing it up with much better sounds.

Just a thought is there a setting that’s enabled that gives you this randomised entering to give you an automated human feel except it’s tweaked to high,

just a thought.

im also interested to hear what’s your workflow to achieve your goal?

Cause my sucks no matter which way I go it’s clumsy.

cheers Damir

[Damir]

Good luck sunshine😂, we are fortunate we have a lovely, really small, plus and a minus box on the right side and just to make things more interesting they managed to put another grey + button just above it that really tests your concentration level.

simply put I don’t think so, you have to persevere with what you got and to make it more interesting let’s put this wonderful system on every window and let’s make them all independent so you can practice your mouse skills.

Perhaps there are shortcuts but I have thousands in my head already it’s faster doing it the slow way  EZD3 offers us, at least they work I think.
Being a newbie I haven’t had much fiddling time.

most of my friends think I am a very positive person🤣 thanks EZD3 you’ve just blown that thought.

cheers Damir

good luck Shane

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[Damir]

To me that appears to be a DAW issue not EZD3 problem. Perhaps you should point that out to Steinberg  developers as it might be an update glitch which they are not aware off yet.

cheers Damir

[Damir]

Thanks Mick, I appreciate your simple solution but you obviously didn’t understand my requests, they are pointing out the weaknesses in EZD3 I can work around them but why should I if things can be improved to simplify and speed up a work flow , this is supposed to be a new version of the old so what’s actually new?, in some ways  nothing if anything the work flow is slower and more awkward.

In this day and age more is expected of software of this calibre it’s not just the pretty pictures of drums and moving pedals , what’s more important is how the software works and at the moment it feels like a poor tack on in to a DAW and an incomplete software tool in stand alone mode.

Its very important to tell it as it is so the creators can improve it , always giving positive feedback does not improve things yes I do like this software to a point, but there are basic operational flaws that regretfully make this a very average attempt to do a specific job, and that is to create realistic drums to an audio file.

Yes you can do it, but in a very convoluted way, yet it is called EAZY Drummer.

This morning I have just  found more annoying things that do not make operational sense, the more I use it the more I get the feeling I am operating a bit of software in BETA mode.

Thanks again.

 

[Damir]

WHAT I EXPECT FROM EAZY DRUMMER 3

SIMPLICITY! After all it is called EAZY DRUMMER.

I want all areas of eazy drummer to be always in sync with the DAW, if i shift position in grid edit in easy drummer i expect my daw to follow and i expect song mode and band master to follow, everything should be in sync at all times no matter which area i work in.

I want one play / stop function in eazy drummer that operates on the window i am working in.

The DAW stop / start functions should be an exact mirrow of eazy drummer, the two systems should appear to be one at all times.

I want to hear band master function in song and grid editor mode and to be able to mute and unmute this function.

I want to load an audio track to bandmaster and add drums to it , or perhaps create my own drum track version from it so i can use it as a template with my own drumming version, this i expect to do in stand alone mode as i dont need a daw i have my audio track i have my song mode i have my grid editor I SHOULD NOT NEED A DAW! So why cant i hear my audio track when i am precisely editing my project in the grid editor?

The loop points should be much simpler to use , whatever loop point i choose to implement should be created in song/ grid and band master at the moment its a dogs breakfast especially if you also introduce the DAW then it really becomes a chore.

Keep it simple! Remember the name EAZY DRUMMER! dont forget this name as you design.

This is feedback from trying to do one simple thing as a first time user that hasnt even looked at all the possabilities yet so i expect to be finding a lot more issues, i was hoping this was going to be my answer to a simple need and that is place a drum track to an audio file in stand alone mode.

Using a daw helps but it is so frustrating to use due to some of those things i mentioned and i am pretty shure i will find more if i use it longer.

Love you sounds and general feel but the overall conceipt has missed the mark.

Hope to see it improve soon.

cheers Damir

[Damir]

As i use my DAW with EZD3 i am more dissapointed than ever.

Im using Logic Pro X.

Where do i start?

1. I cant drag and drop to and from the DAW , big bummer.

2. The two programs dont work together efficiently, and have stop start sync problems.

3. I cant simply resize EZD3 within my DAW, BIG BUMMER.

4. I now have 3 areas of operation WITH THREE PLAY/STOP buttons DAW, BANDMASTER, SONG mode, none of them are synced reliably or not at all so im bouncing, stumbling and juggling around like a JO/JO , its a very frustrating and slow workflow.

Ive only tried to do one job with this program and am totally frustrated by it, i have more bad news but have run out of time to write it down.

What were Eazy Drummer 3 designers thinking when they created a fantastic program with no final operational thought when used in conjunction with the most popular DAWS especially when used stand alone.

Sorry guys i will have to wait for some updates before i start using this software.

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[Damir]

Bandmate is a great feature, but it would be very useful to be able to listen to the audio file also while you are working on the song track. It is in the song track that you are putting together the whole arrangement, and I don’t understand why it is not possible to have an audio track of your song running in parallell with the EZ song track – or am I missing something here?.

THANKS SHOOTIE, ive seen all your online videos regarding EZD  2 & 3 and think they are great, but i am not a newbie when it comes to DAWS i started using Cubase and Protools when they were born and seen them grow through the years i have changed to use Logic Pro x when it came out and have stayed with it lately as a preferance, ive been a musician for 42 years and a TV Sound engineer for 32 years an electronic technician 10 years i have built sound equipment and am currently helping a software developer to design a fantastic Apple audio app for on stage backing needs, check it out STAGE TRAXX 3.

What i was trying to point out regarding EZD3 is that as a stand alone bit of gear it is not very well finished for users that want simlicity and speed to do a very simple thing, and thats to load an audio file in to it and place a very accurate drum beat behind it and save it.

Reason  is , you cant hear the audio track behind the grid editor so if you drop down a basic midi track from Bandmaster and now want to perfect it you are running blind.

Why would you not want to hear your backing so you can perfect it?
I would not need a DAW if i could hear this audio as i have an onboard mixer and some effects , Fantastic sampled sounds , that dont need tweaking by me when greater experts in this field have already done the work for me.

Everyone has different needs and different speakers or sound listening devices so if there is a bit more bass on one of the toms it might be perfect when i run this sound through my Yamaha PA system, or my apple earbuds, oh gosh the cymbals are too this or that , i think the sounds are fantastic for my needs i just need a quick way to place the damn drums behind an audio track and not get bogged down with creating a monster setup with my DAWS that takes time and overcomplicates everything and doasnt achieve anything much better that a simple workflow thats very conveniant and fast.

So i ask again why has EZD3 been created when EZD2 does the same thing?

Bandmaster is the only difference, so why have this feature when its Legs and Arms have been chopped off in the stand alone mode?

Keep up the great work with the videos they do make a big difference for purchasing decisions, perhaps expose the weaknesses in software a bit more so buyers dont get dissapointed , the good stuff they can discover later if the bad stuff has not put them off.

cheers Damir

• This post was modified 3 years, 1 month ago by Damir.

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[Damir]

Thanks John, I have already done what you suggested, I simply loaded the exact same audio track I used in bandmaster to first track in Logic then I placed the midi file that worked perfectly in sync with this audio track in bandmaster in to the second track of logic but the relationship in Logic was not in sync anymore between the two tracks, I am positive it is probably Logic that’s the reason I just can’t figure it out.

This is my point to why I purchased EZD3 I was hoping to complete my drums to my audio track all within EZD3 and piss off all these complicated DAWS that are wasting my time. If I could complete my drumming midi file in grid editor and use the audio track as a guide I could simply export the perfect completed drums audio/midi to the DAW but my main tool to complete my drums would be EZD3 , at the moment it does sections of a project and involves a DAW, I believe it should allow us to do a whole project within  itself then allow us to export a completed drum track as a full mix with the backing audio track, a full drum mix only, a multitrack drum track only, or a midi drum track.

This then would simplify our workflow using only one tool to do one job which then can be exported to a daw.

This business of little snippets of a whole project combined with a DAW is fine for those getting paid megabucks to perfect something that takes a lot of time but for a solo artist that just wants a great sounding backing drum on his backing tracks that doesn’t technically waste his time EZD3 just falls short with its design , it is so close of being a fantastic fast tool to place drums but falls short because bandmaster and song editor are not working as a team they are trying to work with a DAW first, there’s plenty of software plugins that do that why are you wasting our time, we want tools that save our time.

again thanks for your help John I will try and figure out to why Logic is stuffing me around I just need to stumble on the appropriate settings.

 

[Damir]

Thanks Julian, I have a looper pedal but that’s not my need.

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