Toontrack owned by Waves or vice versa?

[jpoprock]

I just received my boxed version of Custom & Vintage...

I just received my boxed version of Custom & Vintage SDX (I finally pulled the trigger!). And the box that just showed up said it was from Waves, Inc. I found that odd, as I was unaware they were at all affiliated with each other. Does anyone know why my box came from Waves?

Thanks!
Jason

EZD, Sup 2.0, C&V SDX, EZ Drummer, DKH Multi, Pro Tools 8, padKontrol, OSX 10.5.8

I just received my boxed version of Custom & Vintage SDX (I finally pulled the trigger!). And the box that just showed up said it was from Waves, Inc. I found that odd, as I was unaware they were at all affiliated with each other. Does anyone know why my box came from Waves?

Thanks!
Jason

EZD, Sup 2.0, C&V SDX, EZ Drummer, DKH Multi, Pro Tools 8, padKontrol, OSX 10.5.8

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[Nathan]

ORIGINAL: Xplora

ORIGINAL: planetnine

Well your copy protection doesn’t stop the pirates, but it sure does create a terrible customer experience for many legitimate users. I came across someone who has a cracked SD yesterday. I hate it when people don’t pay for what they use.

I suppose there isn’t an answer, without it you wouldn’t get the revenue to keep the company producing the products.

REAPER isn’t copy-protected, but it didn’t stop me buying a commercial licence. I don’t know if that business model actually works for Cockos, but it makes it much less stressful and time consuming to install.

You make a first-class product Toontrack, but I did get fed up with the hoops I had to jump through while installing. Just keep the libraries coming in and I might forget the pain .

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Reaper isn’t in the same league as Toontrack as far as professional quality product goes. Toontrack can appear in a professional production and be right at home – Reaper’s developers have given the false impression that they are interested in user feedback. I’m truly of the opinion that they are simply implementing changes that they want, steal the ideas of the userbase for direction of featureset improvement, and charging people for a program that would otherwise be freeware. The sheer arrogance of the developer team confirms that Reaper will always be a toy DAW compared to Cubase or Tools. That makes me sad because they have a lot of deluded users worshipping them. I use Reaper because it is less frustrating than Cubase who charge more money than I will pay for a DAW. That doesn’t make it a better platform. Just a cheap one.

I’d better tell a colleague of mine that he’s cheapening the image of Abbey Road by using it there. I bet he didn’t realise it didn’t fit in when he rescued an orchestral session there with it (it was the only app that correctly created the tempo mapping he recently needed in a hurry).

Don’t spend a lot of time on the REAPER development forum then, I guess..?

If it does the job, that’s all that matters to me. There are idiosyncracies and there are still growing pains, but early versions of PT were pretty horrible (why we used Logic with PT hardware 😉 ). I’m really sorry it traumatised you as a child. Now get over it and make some music. It’s only a DAW; it only makes up a small part of a grown-ups studio. 🙂
 
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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.

[Xplora]

I’ve spent TOO much time on the development forum there. That’s the problem. There are some really important features that they really should implement (such as a stave view) that have been falling on half open ears for YEARS. Justin actually said he’d implement stave view and was enthusiastic if someone would give him the rules it should follow. Never went forward. If they don’t want to implement, fine, make sure the Rewire works with Notion (big fail), Finale and Sibelius. There are just too many things I see requested that go nowhere. Cockos gives the “impression” they are listening to the users, it’s like any other company out there. If the developer team from Cubase or Protools spent as much time interacting with the userbase on their forum as Cockos does (Sonar is also pretty good at this) then you’d see the big DAW haters flocking back to them. You get silence from Cubase and Tools. The problem is that some users are so desperate for some acknowledgment that they look at Reaper and think they’ve found their lost twin sister. The trial period is another thing that gives people the impression that Cockos “understands them”. If you don’t pay for the software after a month, you are no better than scum stealing Cubase or Protools. The agreement is purchase after 30 days. Violate the agreement, you’re a thief. If you choose to just live with the popup, you’ll get a reminder that you owe Cockos 40 bucks every time you open up, and that you’re a copyright violating thief.

No one is saying that programming a DAW is easy etc, but cmon. If I ran a business the same way, I’d expect the CEO to fire me. If I worked that slowly, I’d expect my boss to fire me.

[Nathan]

At the risk of taking this at a 90 degree tangent, remember there are only three or four of them. They’re obviously not going to be ticking off the features on everybody’s personal wishlist. I want VCAs, I want fader graticules in dBs, I wantproject management features so bad I’ve drafted-out the design brief for a 3rd party developer to write a module for me. I have to accept that my requirements obviously don’t correlate with either Justin’s or the userbase’s, and I’m well down the queue.

I’ll happily settle for the bug response reaction-time of Cockos over that of the “leading brands”. Nobody’s perfect, but I feel catered for more with the “handbuilt in SF” software company.

I’m not quite sure I follow your monologue on the nag screen, what point ae you making here? I believe  you should pay for a licence, especially when you’re trusted and given as much leewat as you are with REAPER…

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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.

[Xplora]

Tombour mentioned the nag screen. And yes, bug response is a lot better than the big DAWs, however, bug response is simply fixing a program that should work already. It’s actually sign of a broken program, and is likely tto make up a substantial part of the additional cost of Tools or Cubase. THey fix it before it goes to market (LOL yeah right, but thats the theory behind it? )

My point is simply that Reaper IS small time, and treating Justin like the second coming is highly misplaced trust. If you can’t afford the integrated hardware/software path, they are probably the best, but honestly, the time you’d save with integrated solutions is probably worth it. I would only need to save about 20 hours over the life of the product (have a think about how you get paid for your time) and I’d probably be able to justify a proper Protools extravaganza. I’m not earning that much cash, but time is money.

[Nathan]

ORIGINAL: Xplora

Tombour mentioned the nag screen. And yes, bug response is a lot better than the big DAWs, however, bug response is simply fixing a program that should work already. It’s actually sign of a broken program, and is likely tto make up a substantial part of the additional cost of Tools or Cubase. THey fix it before it goes to market (LOL yeah right, but thats the theory behind it? )

Bug-fixes tend to get released with the next paid version, I find that highly unacceptable.

ORIGINAL: Xplora
My point is simply that Reaper IS small time, and treating Justin like the second coming is highly misplaced trust. If you can’t afford the integrated hardware/software path, they are probably the best, but honestly, the time you’d save with integrated solutions is probably worth it. I would only need to save about 20 hours over the life of the product (have a think about how you get paid for your time) and I’d probably be able to justify a proper Protools extravaganza. I’m not earning that much cash, but time is money.

I’m no fanboi, I’ve waded in in the past using my commercial licence as a bludgeon -justification for demanding changes/fixes (professional user, professional service?).

Until PT9, I’ll be blunt here, nothing would be worth spending more money on than REAPER for what I wanted, how I work. PTHD and a DD console would be good, but we’re talking some serious money, and my main line of work is live sound, not the studio.

I use PT in professional facilities, but I cant stand the wet lettuce that is LE . If I need PT compatibility, I’l charge enough so I can use HD (and an operator for arranging & editing) If I don’t need PT compatibilty, REAPER actually does everything I need (more stable than some HD essions too). If it does the job, the client is happy and I get paid, then that’s all I need. It might not be as capable as HD and it doesn’t have the “compatibility”, but it more than serves my needs (not all my wants yet, but that’s next).

In short, I don’t care about REAPER’s perceived social standing. I use what works for the job in hand, and if that’s REAPER then I’m happy to use it. With REAPER, Drumtracker and SD, I’m acheiving better results for much cheaper than with outsourced jobs.

…So, back to SD.

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SD2.3, NYII, C&V, MC, MF, ED, Latin Perc, Twisted, Pop, N1H, Electronic, Classic, Funkmasters, Rock Solid, Blues, Indie-Folk.

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