Session Organ: switching to session organ disables volume and sustain pedal

[Wade Jackson]

Hi, so glad to see Session Organ hit the streets.  Love the sound of it.  I ran into a problem though with Sustain and Volume.  They work fine on a new project, and when adding new chord blocks, but not if I switch to Session Organ in an existing project.  Here are the steps to repro:

1. Open an existing Studio Piano project with chords on the timeline on an Ableton track
2. switch to Session Organ
3. result:  sustain and volume pedals do not receive input

However, if I open a new Ableton project, open EZ Keys and switch to Session Organ, the sustain and volume pedals do work.

What might I be doing wrong?  Thanks!

~ Wade

EZkeys version: 2.0.4
Operating system: Windows 10

"In Music, Art and Everything, CREATE more than you CONSUME.'

-- The morning mirror speech.

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[Bear-Faced Cow]

I can’t seem to recreate the issue with sustain pedal. I switched from the piano to the session organ and was receiving sustain pedal info without a problem. Perhaps, check your MIDI Input preferences.

As for the “Volume Pedal”, are you referring to the soft or sostenuto pedals? If so, they aren’t supported by SO.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Wade Jackson]

Hi Jordan, thanks for the reply.  Yeah I’m still trying to figure out why it happens to give a good repro.  I’ll try and give some more details.  As for volume, Session Organ calls it “Dynamics”… but on a real B3 it technically controls the volume LOL

Both CC controllers work as expected in a new daw project, on a new instance of EZKeys in the daw, if it’s the only instance in the daw.  It recognizes both the sustain pedal to control the rotary and the volume pedal to control dynamics just fine and behaves as expected when I put chord blocks in the timeline.

But when I open up a daw project which already has chord blocks,  duplicate the track, and change the new track to Session Organ there’s no midi input.  No CC pedals work at this point.

I thought it might be that the chord blocks I’d inserted before upgrading to Session Organ didnt yet have whatever information is needed to control them.  So in that same daw project I create a new midi track, inserted EZKeys Session Organ and tried adding new chord blocks from scratch.  In that case the CC pedals are still not recognized.

It’s a head scratcher.

Maybe the multiple instances of EZKeys 2 on different tracks are stepping on each other’s midi input?  I’m stumped.  Still experimenting.

"In Music, Art and Everything, CREATE more than you CONSUME.'

-- The morning mirror speech.

[Wade Jackson]

OK, further information… how I fixed it?  Don’t know why it broke but if I can fix it I’ll be OK.

So I SAVED a copy of the EZKeys project that works in Session Grand.

I created a new midi track in the DAW and inserted EZKeys.

Changed the piano to Session Organ.  Went to File/Import and imported the saved copy of the project session.

It switched back to Session Grand on load as that was what the saved copy worked in.  But I saw that I was receiving CC input.

Changed the instance to Session Organ and it began working as expected.  Dynamics pedal works, and sustain pedal operates the rotary.

Weird behavior!

EZkeys version: 2.0.4
Operating system: Windows 10

"In Music, Art and Everything, CREATE more than you CONSUME.'

-- The morning mirror speech.

[Petter]

Hi Wade,

Would you be able to ZIP an Ableton project where you can reproduce the issue, and attach it here?

Petter Adsten - Toontrack
Support & Betatesting

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Thanked by: Wade Jackson

[Bear-Faced Cow]

I believe I have recreated the issue with Logic (or at least something similar).

I had SO’s sustain set to control the rotary. However when I changed the 2nd instance of EZK from Session Piano to Organ the sustain pedal reverted back to controlling the note length.

Expected behaviour is that the sustain settings for Session Organ remain to the user’s setting when switching instruments.

I have enclosed my test Logic projects.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

[Wade Jackson]

Hi Petter, I’ve already moved forward with that specific project, but I should be able to get a smaller repro together and provide it later today.

I’ll also provide my specific hardware if it helps:

Novation Impulse 25 Keyboard with the following CC controllers attached:

ProLine sustain pedal

Nektar expression pedal

EZkeys version: 2.0.4
Operating system: Windows 10

"In Music, Art and Everything, CREATE more than you CONSUME.'

-- The morning mirror speech.

[Petter]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Expected behaviour is that the sustain settings for Session Organ remain to the user’s setting when switching instruments.

Right now, how it works is that the “default state” of the Session Organ MIDI input settings are loaded when you load the organ. If you change that setting from Note Length to Rotary Speed and you don’t save it as your Default state, it will load with it set to Note Length when Session Organ is loaded.

Petter Adsten - Toontrack
Support & Betatesting

[Petter]

Wade Jackson wrote:

Hi Petter, I’ve already moved forward with that specific project, but I should be able to get a smaller repro together and provide it later today.

I’ll also provide my specific hardware if it helps:

Novation Impulse 25 Keyboard with the following CC controllers attached:

ProLine sustain pedal

Nektar expression pedal

EZkeys version: 2.0.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Do you have a backup or auto-save of the old project perhaps? We’d still like to take a look at it if you can find a version where we can reproduce the issue. You could send it to Support if you don’t want to post it here. https://www.toontrack.com/faq/how-do-i-contact-support/

Petter Adsten - Toontrack
Support & Betatesting

• This post was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by Petter.

[Bear-Faced Cow]

Petter wrote:

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Expected behaviour is that the sustain settings for Session Organ remain to the user’s setting when switching instruments.

Right now, how it works is that the “default state” of the Session Organ MIDI input settings are loaded when you load the organ. If you change that setting from Note Length to Rotary Speed and you don’t save it as your Default state, it will load with it set to Note Length when Session Organ is loaded.

Okay, I can see that. Would be a nice to have if if did save it as a global preference but it is no biggie in this particular case. There are other issues that outweigh this.

Other than this, all of my MIDI CC info played without issue from my Helix when switching.

jord

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Jordan L. Chilcott

Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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