Request Superior 3 SDX Vintage & Dry Drums

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  • ron fountenberry
    Participant

    Know this thread is a few years old, but Past to Future drums has many of these sounds. I know it’s NOT remotely close to SD but simply for those sounds it works well.

    Thomas.Combe
    Participant

    Has anyone tried the Rooms of Hansa SDX? It looks like it has some organically dampened kits recorded in small spaces. The drum sound on Beck’s ‘Lonesome Tears’ is what I’m going for. I have had some good success taking out room mics and playing with envelopes etc in the regular SD3 library, but it seems to me that this kind of defeats the purpose of having a beautifully recorded sample library. I want the raw recordings to reflect the sound I’m after! But yes, has anyone tried the Rooms of Hansa SDX to see if this gets close?

    WJamesM
    Participant

    I don’t personally believe that this can be achieved with processing after the fact (envelopes, transient shapers, compression, eq, whatever). To be authentic it has to be baked into the samples with:

    . . . a very, VERY, dead room

    . . . deadened skins on the drums (tape, towels,    wallets, blankets, foam, bricks, etc.)

    . . . no bottom (resonant) skins on the toms or kick

    . . . mic placement often inside the toms (and    kick), very close to the top skin

    . . . a playing technique that is very dynamic, and snappy from the wrist

    Trying to get there with samples recorded without these techniques is swimming against a very strong current. Can you make an electric guitar sound like an acoustic guitar? Sorta. But an acoustic guitar is the better way to go for that sound.

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    Jeff Anderson
    Participant

    Well said, and I agree for the most part. I would want a few options where the drummer “plays quietly” a la Joey Waronker. If that means fewer loud/high velocity samples, it’s worth it.

    (Style discussion starts around 17:48.)

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    Thanked by: David Metoyer
    WJamesM
    Participant

    What a great interview. Thanks for posting that. Joey’s tales of having to tell studio engineers that they’ve set up the mic’s incorrectly, or live engineers that their gates are too “deep”, for how he plays, really shows how naturally biased the industry is these days against this playing style.

    I was thinking more about this today and it took me to revisiting Alan White’s playing/sound on Lennon’s Imagine album, specifically How?. The little fill around 3:07-3:10 is it for me.

    I mean, I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but with hundreds (or thousands) of drum sample packs out there you’d think someone would have cover it somewhere. Maybe they have but I’m struggling to find it.

    • This post was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by WJamesM.

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    Thanked by: Jeff Anderson
    John
    Moderator

    Hi,

    there are damped drums sampled in some libraries. I just made a short groove in SD3 with Chris Whitten MIDI from the C+V SDX and ran it thru a couple of libraries:

    C+V

    Decades

    UK Pop EZX

    Maybe it’s in the line of what you are looking for?

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    David Metoyer
    Participant

    After all this time I just now saw your post and realized you posted the claustrophobic kit. I was told years ago that’s what justice league used to get that sound so I bought it but didn’t know which kit or snare was used because it sounded real “plasticky” when I tried to use a couple of them..do you know which kits or snare can in the kit can achieve that sound? I have ez drummer and claustrophobic now just for that sound

    WJamesM
    Participant

    What a great interview. Thanks for posting that. Joey’s tales of having to tell studio engineers that they’ve set up the mic’s incorrectly, or live engineers that their gates are too “deep”, for how he plays, really shows how naturally biased the industry is these days against this playing style.

    I was thinking more about this today and it took me to revisiting Alan White’s playing/sound on Lennon’s Imagine album, specifically How?. The little fill around 3:07-3:10 is it for me.

    I mean, I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but with hundreds (or thousands) of drum sample packs out there you’d think someone would have cover it somewhere. Maybe they have but I’m struggling to find it.

    • This post was modified 1 year, 3 months ago by WJamesM.

    It occurred to me while making my morning coffee that I should probably clarify that posting this old Lennon link was more about an extremely dry drum recording that I find fascinating, but not so much about the dead, damped, or muffled drums that are also being discussed here. I think sometimes those two things get conflated in these conversations – I know that I have a habit of veering from one to the other when really they’re two different things (that often coexist, but don’t have to).

    Along those lines I was thinking about the drum recording in Fleetwood Mac‘s Dreams – an oft quoted example of very dry, very immediate, somewhat damped, drums. Came across this magazine interview from 1978 where they discuss in great detail the recording of that whole album (including the fabled issue of worn out tapes and having to resync every overdub to the backup master tapes by ear with no other way of keeping the timing on other than manually riding the speed while listening to the phasing of the high hats). Quite fascinating stuff, and illuminating. It’s fun to mythologize about recording to tape, but what a nightmare it could be!

    https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-Recording-Engineer/70s/Recording-1978-04.pdf

    blaze
    Participant

    That Jake Reed video was great! That’s the sound! …or one version of it.

    Thanks John Rammell for posting clips of the dry drums from existing libraries, and yes it’s in line, but doesn’t nail it…especially considering that Toontrack is about doing things thoroughly and excellently.

    Thanks to WJames for stating what seems obvious: “I don’t personally believe that this can be achieved with processing after the fact (envelopes, transient shapers, compression, eq, whatever). To be authentic it has to be baked into the samples…” And also for pointing out the distinction between dry and damped drums.

    I want both dry and damped drums. I want a drum sound that ends quickly. I don’t want over-ring from the drum, or the room.

    You can add me to the list of people who have been waiting for years, decades, for good dry drum sampling.

    Toontrack, the dry drum thing is not just not just nostalgia. Dry damped drums open up a huge amount of musical space for other instruments to fit into. They work great in a lot of styles.

    I ended up here because I’ve just spent an hour going through all the audio demos wondering if there’s a kit I can use to do this.

    Steen Waldorf
    Participant

    Maybe this example would fit your needs.

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