B SandyHi there,
As directed from this forum post, I’m raising a question a few people clearly have around transitions between the HH samples in SD3.
In SD3 there are, I believe, 8 sets of samples for different degrees of HH open-ness. The problem being experience is that there doesn’t seem to be any smooth transitioning (with cross-fading etc.) between them – so the sample jumps very audibly from one to the other. This is a problem if:
In either case, the sample jumps abruptly from one Openness level to another, which sounds extremely unnatural, to the extent (in my opinion) that you really can’t play anything on the hihat that invokes this kind of sound, which is a big shame for what is otherwise such a great instrument. It’s not a problem with HH controllers because I, and others, have tried editing the MIDI data so that the transition is in continuous steps of 1 CC value. It’s a bit like taking the slide away from a children’s playground and replacing it with some stairs. It would hurt.
This is an issue common to any sample library multi-level sampling (e.g. a piano) and/or with aftertouch/CC-controlled intensity changes (e.g. a clarinet) and there are clearly ways round it, because it’s not generally audible in the other libraries I use (e.g. Synthogy Ivory, Vienna Symphonic Library, etc.). Presumably, the solution people use is something like:
I this really not possible in SD3?
Hi there,
As directed from this forum post, I’m raising a question a few people clearly have around transitions between the HH samples in SD3.
In SD3 there are, I believe, 8 sets of samples for different degrees of HH open-ness. The problem being experience is that there doesn’t seem to be any smooth transitioning (with cross-fading etc.) between them – so the sample jumps very audibly from one to the other. This is a problem if:
In either case, the sample jumps abruptly from one Openness level to another, which sounds extremely unnatural, to the extent (in my opinion) that you really can’t play anything on the hihat that invokes this kind of sound, which is a big shame for what is otherwise such a great instrument. It’s not a problem with HH controllers because I, and others, have tried editing the MIDI data so that the transition is in continuous steps of 1 CC value. It’s a bit like taking the slide away from a children’s playground and replacing it with some stairs. It would hurt.
This is an issue common to any sample library multi-level sampling (e.g. a piano) and/or with aftertouch/CC-controlled intensity changes (e.g. a clarinet) and there are clearly ways round it, because it’s not generally audible in the other libraries I use (e.g. Synthogy Ivory, Vienna Symphonic Library, etc.). Presumably, the solution people use is something like:
I this really not possible in SD3?
BenebriusExactly. Amazing software except for that one (huge) drawback. Hopefully will be resolved at some point.
Damian BluntThe issues reported by the original poster have been fixed for some time. You need to select ‘E-drum Optimised’ in MIDI in/E-drum settings for the most natural performance or ‘Note Triggered Transitions’ if you want to completely turn off transitions with pedal movement alone.
Damian Blunt - Toontrack
Quality Assurance
Betatesting
BenebriusTried that, had no effect whatsoever for me. Don’t think it has worked for anyone, really. There are still complaints everywhere about this issue.
MintberryCrunchTried that, had no effect whatsoever for me. Don’t think it has worked for anyone, really. There are still complaints everywhere about this issue.
The Toontrack hihat transition fix implemented with v3.2.5 works properly 🙂 .
travisf131I’m not sure what you guys are talking about with the fix being implemented in 3.2.5. I’m currently on 3.3.6 and everything OP said in his initial post from 6 years ago perfectly describes what I’m experiencing, even with the “E-drum optimized” setting selected.
The transitions between different openness states is not smooth at all; it’s like an abrupt staircase where each steps sounds like a new audio file turning on instantly and its sounds incredibly unnatural.
Am I missing something? Why am I experiencing this if there was a supposed fix?
keith andrewDude seriously. It’s like what the hell have these people been doing all these years instead of fixing this?
Shen GI agree the Hi-Hats are the weakest part of SD3. Which is understandably as it is has to be the hardest part of a kit to recreate/sample.
But yeah, being that Toontrack seems to want to be the best sampler in the biz, they shy away from those kinds of artificial manipulations that a drum modeller software may use. It is the main reason why I prefer SD3 to anything else, the realism of the recording. I kind of surprised they even have tuning options for the drums rather than increasing their work and the install size 10x with actually retuned drums and new samples! 😛 oh yeah that why.
But yeah, I do hope and expect something in SD4 will address the issues with hats. Hopefully some kind of (optional) 1’s and 0’s magic that keeps the best of real samples and the best recreation of how they perform in real life.
The eDrummin I use has some good mitigations for the issues, still not perfect obviously.
PS. Feel free to drop it in to SD3 TT 😉
JohnThe transitions between different openness states is not smooth at all; it’s like an abrupt staircase where each steps sounds like a new audio file turning on instantly and its sounds incredibly unnatural.
Hi,
could you please record a short piece when this happens and provide both the audio and MIDI? Preferably the SD3 Project? If you can, please zip archive and attach to a post here.
BR,
John
John Rammelt - Toontrack
Technical Advisor
MintberryCrunchHi, could you please record a short piece when this happens and provide both the audio and MIDI? Preferably the SD3 Project? If you can, please zip archive and attach to a post here. BR, John
You Toontrack guys know that there are no smooth transitions. “E-drum optimized” leaves out the transitions from open to closed and that’s pretty much 99% of all e-drummers are happy with as there are no artifacts from ‘open-to-closed’ transitions – which is the most relevant point here ; the other way around -> from closed (or better ‘closed loose’) to open – is something that won’t occur often in music – so yeah, a video of that rare usecase would be helpful (I’m sure I’ve never seen that before in Pop, Rock, Metal).
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