More than 32 outs to DAW?

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  • Scott
    Moderator

    S3 has 16 stereo outputs. Or 32 mono outputs depending on your DAW.

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
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    Brick Fist Pow
    Participant

    Are there DAW’s other than Cubase that use mono outs? Why aren’t there mono outs for all DAW’s? I’m using Reaper and afaik it supports only stereo outs, meaning most of the channels are not usable when routing each channel to the DAW. Is there a SD3 user manual other than the pdf’s located in the SD3 folder?

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    I may have found a workaround freeing up more channels by panning left/right. For example, panning Kick left and Snare right on outs 1/2, then routing those to seperate channels in my DAW. Then in DAW panning again where appropriate. Does this make sense to do it this way? Am I altering the sound routing the signal like this?


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
    Operating system: Windows 10

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    Scott
    Moderator

    Are there DAW’s other than Cubase that use mono outs? Why aren’t there mono outs for all DAW’s? I’m using Reaper and afaik it supports only stereo outs, meaning most of the channels are not usable when routing each channel to the DAW. Is there a SD3 user manual other than the pdf’s located in the SD3 folder?

    ***edit***

    I may have found a workaround freeing up more channels by panning left/right. For example, panning Kick left and Snare right on outs 1/2, then routing those to seperate channels in my DAW. Then in DAW panning again where appropriate. Does this make sense to do it this way? Am I altering the sound routing the signal like this?

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
    Operating system: Windows 10

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    Yes. Panning out is the way Reaper and other DAWs can handle mono from S3. Cubase handles it differently so that’s why the Mono Out for Cubase only was implemented in S3.

    The S3 manual can be found here online:

    https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

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    Brooks H
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    …so that’s why the Mono Out for Cubase only was implemented in S3.

    That would be a great option for all DAWs. I know it’s only 1 extra step per kit piece (panning), but setting up the routing is tedious enough.

    What is the theory behind providing only stereo outs any way?

    SD3 v3.3.6, EZbass v1.1.7, EZkeys v1.3.4
    Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
    3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

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    Scott
    Moderator

    …so that’s why the Mono Out for Cubase only was implemented in S3.

    That would be a great option for all DAWs. I know it’s only 1 extra step per kit piece (panning), but setting up the routing is tedious enough.

    What is the theory behind providing only stereo outs any way?

    I’m not really sure the reasoning. TBH, I’ve never really cared much if they were mono channels or stereo channels I was mixing. I tend to do a lot of submixing (in the S3 mixer) in my workflow anyway. Drives me nuts to sift through 120 channels. I also have a hybrid setup and route out to 24 channel summing mixer. I fit all my drums into 8 channels anyway.

    Scott Sibley - Toontrack
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    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    …so that’s why the Mono Out for Cubase only was implemented in S3.

    That would be a great option for all DAWs. I know it’s only 1 extra step per kit piece (panning), but setting up the routing is tedious enough.

    What is the theory behind providing only stereo outs any way?

    You only need to set it up once and you can then save it as part of a DAW template. Logic Pro X users can also save it as a track stack patch in their library.

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

    Brooks H
    Participant

    I’m not really sure the reasoning. TBH, I’ve never really cared much if they were mono channels or stereo channels I was mixing. I tend to do a lot of submixing (in the S3 mixer) in my workflow anyway. Drives me nuts to sift through 120 channels. I also have a hybrid setup and route out to 24 channel summing mixer. I fit all my drums into 8 channels anyway.

    I still like mixing everything in my DAW. It’s just more convenient than jumping back & forth. I like to treat kit pieces individually & then bus everything to a stereo channel. Ideally, for me, SD3 would have mono outs for kick, snare & toms.

     

    You only need to set it up once and you can then save it as part of a DAW template. Logic Pro X users can also save it as a track stack patch in their library.

    I know, just haven’t gotten around to it. “We” are babysitting my little cousin tonight, so it would be a good night to address some administrative things I’ve been putting off.

    And I like a few of the presets, none of which are routed the way I’d do it, so I have to figure out how I’ll redo those.

    SD3 v3.3.6, EZbass v1.1.7, EZkeys v1.3.4
    Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
    3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

    John
    Moderator

    Well, not saying I know exactly how and why things are but the very old legacy first Superior had fixed Mono and Stereo outputs; like Mono for the individual instruments and Stereo for OH and AMB.

    This worked alright when there was one library only but when the next library came with a different setup, it needed its own version of the plugin (or was it restart of the plugin?) with a different set of outputs. Given the amount of releases with totally different setups in terms of microphones and instruments, it would be impossible to have a ‘one size fits all’ setup. Not the least with all different type of presets. The 16 Stereo Outputs (or 32 Mono) provides a viable solution IMHO.

    E.g. I have Kontakt where you can set Mono and Stereo outputs Globally for the plugin (and standalone) in the preferences but each time you make a change, you need to restart your host. Totally killer of workflow and creativity IMHO.

    BR,

    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

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    Brooks H
    Participant

    Well, not saying I know exactly how and why things are but the very old legacy first Superior had fixed Mono and Stereo outputs; like Mono for the individual instruments and Stereo for OH and AMB.

    This worked alright when there was one library only but when the next library came with a different setup, it needed its own version of the plugin (or was it restart of the plugin?) with a different set of outputs. Given the amount of releases with totally different setups in terms of microphones and instruments, it would be impossible to have a ‘one size fits all’ setup. Not the least with all different type of presets. The 16 Stereo Outputs (or 32 Mono) provides a viable solution IMHO.

    E.g. I have Kontakt where you can set Mono and Stereo outputs Globally for the plugin (and standalone) in the preferences but each time you make a change, you need to restart your host. Totally killer of workflow and creativity IMHO.

    BR,

    John

    Makes sense.

    And like Bear-Faced Cow pointed out, I only have to do this once, plus whatever it takes to re-route the included presets I like.

    SD3 v3.3.6, EZbass v1.1.7, EZkeys v1.3.4
    Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
    3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

    Brooks H
    Participant

    Are there DAW’s other than Cubase that use mono outs? Why aren’t there mono outs for all DAW’s? I’m using Reaper and afaik it supports only stereo outs, meaning most of the channels are not usable when routing each channel to the DAW. Is there a SD3 user manual other than the pdf’s located in the SD3 folder?

    ***edit***

    I may have found a workaround freeing up more channels by panning left/right. For example, panning Kick left and Snare right on outs 1/2, then routing those to seperate channels in my DAW. Then in DAW panning again where appropriate. Does this make sense to do it this way? Am I altering the sound routing the signal like this?

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.1.4
    Operating system: Windows 10

    • The post has been modified 6 years ago by Brick Fist Pow
      6 years ago by Brick Fist Pow
      6 years ago by Brick Fist Pow"> 4 times, last modified 6 years ago by Brick Fist Pow.

    Yes. Panning out is the way Reaper and other DAWs can handle mono from S3. Cubase handles it differently so that’s why the Mono Out for Cubase only was implemented in S3.

    The S3 manual can be found here online:

    https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/

    Finally went to do this and realize either this won’t work or I don’t know what I’m doing.

    I can change “regular” Logic aux tracks to mono & stereo, but the aux tracks added by the + sign on the SD3 Instrument track don’t have that option. Panning within SD3  will only push signals to the left & right of the stereo channels. What am I missing? Ultimately I’m looking to route mono mics to mono aux tracks in Logic.

    SD3 v3.3.6, EZbass v1.1.7, EZkeys v1.3.4
    Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
    3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    What you would do is route the instrument aux channels to new busses/aux tracks as well as tie a second aux track to each bus. You can set the input of those aux tracks to either left or right.

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

    Brooks H
    Participant

    This is THEE most inconvenient plugin I’ve worked. Between the inability to set a universal MIDI map and convoluted way to route to mono tracks, I’m struggling with it.

    SD3 v3.3.6, EZbass v1.1.7, EZkeys v1.3.4
    Studio One v5.5.2, Cubase v12.0.60
    3.6GHz Intel i9 iMac, 64GB RAM, OS 12.6.1

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    John
    Moderator

    Well, it’s unfortunately host-dependent also.

    In Pro Tools, I just add a Mono Aux/Instrument Track and set its Input to a .L or .R part of a plugin output. I.e. no problem at all.

     

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Mark King
    Participant

    Works fine in Cubase. Really is a DAW thing

    SD3 with older sdx,s plus Rooms of Hansa and Death & Darkness. Cubase and wavelab current versions. Roland TD50x using all trigger inputs for triggering SD3 only. Windows 11 computer. Various keyboards and outboard gear as well as VST instruments. Acoustic drums: Yamaha 9000 natural wood and Pearl masters. Various snare drums. RME BabyFace Pro FS and Adam A7X monitors

    Bear-Faced Cow
    Participant

    It’s not that big a deal in Logic also. Master a few key commands (or customize your own) and you can get it done rather expediently. A little effort never hurt anyone.

    As well, there is no universal drum map. Maybe you need to rethink how you are going about this.

    jord


    Jordan L. Chilcott

    Web Site: https://jordanchilcottmusic.com/

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