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Cross sticking on superior drummer 3 with Roland TD-50x

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  • Replied June 28, 2022 at 16:48 #2946538
    drdrum
    Participant

    The TD 50x preset should take care of that. I have a TD 27 with the digital snare and use the TD 27 preset and the cross stick works great.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6 EZ Bass 1.1.8 EZ Keys 2 2.0.4
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    Replied June 29, 2022 at 16:38 #2946878
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    That’s weird then cuz I went back to the basic td50x preset and it only allows the center and rim shot hits.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
    Replied June 29, 2022 at 20:53 #2946934
    John
    Moderator

    Hi,

    Sidestick is on #37/C#1 both by Default and in the TD50X MIDI Preset. Isn’t that the assigned note in your module?

    BR,
    John

    John Rammelt - Toontrack
    Technical Advisor

    Replied July 3, 2022 at 16:32 #2948645
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    Yes, that is correct.  It shows right now that it’s not mapped though.  Basically superior drummer only is responding to D1 – snare zone trigger and E1 – Snare Rimshot.  If I hit the center of my snare it plays D1 but when I just hit the rim, try to cross stick, or do a rimshot, they all just trigger E1.  It’s like Superior drummer is not picking up the different articulations.  The cross sticking and rim function trigger just fine when I’m play directly through my module so I think the problem is coming from superior drummer and not my snare drum or module.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
    Replied July 3, 2022 at 17:26 #2948685
    Brad
    Participant
    Jonathan0226 wrote:

    Yes, that is correct.  It shows right now that it’s not mapped though.  Basically superior drummer only is responding to D1 – snare zone trigger and E1 – Snare Rimshot.  If I hit the center of my snare it plays D1 but when I just hit the rim, try to cross stick, or do a rimshot, they all just trigger E1.  It’s like Superior drummer is not picking up the different articulations.  The cross sticking and rim function trigger just fine when I’m play directly through my module so I think the problem is coming from superior drummer and not my snare drum or module.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)

    hi there,

    When you open the MIDI monitor, property box in SD3, do you see note #37/C#1 being transmitted ?


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    Replied July 3, 2022 at 18:03 #2948715
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    No, I do not.


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
    Replied July 3, 2022 at 18:20 #2948726
    Brad
    Participant
    Jonathan0226 wrote:

    No, I do not.

    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)

    I have been seeing some posts about the X-Stick function on Roland snares. Can you check to see it is enabled? Or if it exists on your module?

    I play Yamaha…


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.2
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    Replied July 3, 2022 at 18:25 #2948728
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    I know that it’s enabled because it works just fine when I’m using the sounds on the td50x module.  It just doesn’t seem to be getting picked up by superior drummer.

    Replied July 3, 2022 at 18:35 #2948734
    Brad
    Participant
    Jonathan0226 wrote:

    I know that it’s enabled because it works just fine when I’m using the sounds on the td50x module.  It just doesn’t seem to be getting picked up by superior drummer.

    The MIDI Monitor shows all incoming MIDI whether it’s mapped or not. If you don’t see it being received, there is no way for SD3 to trigger the sample associated with it.


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    • This post was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Brad.
    Replied July 3, 2022 at 19:19 #2948756
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    Then I guess the question is how to enable it to send out those separate midi notes from my module.  If anyone knows how to do this that’d be great!  I’ll start looking into it as well.

    Replied July 3, 2022 at 19:34 #2948763
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    So I figured it out to some degree.  The user kit I had it set to on my module was using a processed snare drum that did not have the cross sticking ability turned on.  I changed the user kit on my module and now the cross sticking works on superior drummer.  The only thing that doesn’t work on superior drummer is the rim hits.  Do I just have to choose between having the rim trigger a rim shot or having it trigger a rim hit?  Is there anyway to have SD3 pick up a separate midi note when the snare drum and rim are hit at the same time?  Basically I want to be able to do rim hits, rim shots, and center snare hits and have SD3 trigger it accordingly if that makes sense.

    Replied July 3, 2022 at 21:40 #2948812
    Brad
    Participant
    Jonathan0226 wrote:

    So I figured it out to some degree.  The user kit I had it set to on my module was using a processed snare drum that did not have the cross sticking ability turned on.  I changed the user kit on my module and now the cross sticking works on superior drummer.  The only thing that doesn’t work on superior drummer is the rim hits.  Do I just have to choose between having the rim trigger a rim shot or having it trigger a rim hit?  Is there anyway to have SD3 pick up a separate midi note when the snare drum and rim are hit at the same time?  Basically I want to be able to do rim hits, rim shots, and center snare hits and have SD3 trigger it accordingly if that makes sense.

    When you try to make a rim shot does the module send 2 notes? Centre and Rim? (in MIDI monitor)

    Also see if anything in this thread helps;

    https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/roland-td50-and-side-stick-triggering-on-sd3/


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    • The post has been modified 2 times, last modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Brad.
    Replied July 4, 2022 at 22:40 #2949287
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    No, it looks like it just sends which ever note is picked up first.  It’s either note 38/D1 snare zone trigger or note 40/E1 snare rimshot.  It doesn’t send a brand new note for when I hit the snare and the rim at the same time.  I’m guessing I just have to do it using velocity then?  Like set the rim to trigger rim hits and then the center to trigger rim shots at higher velocity hits?


    Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.1
    Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
    Replied July 5, 2022 at 15:25 #2949497
    Damian Blunt
    Moderator

    You can set up a CC Zone pad to split between rim only and rimshot using CC16 (see attached screenshot). You do have to be accurate with your rimshots as it is much easier to trigger a rim only than with an acoustic snare.

    Damian Blunt - Toontrack
    Quality Assurance
    Betatesting

    Replied July 11, 2022 at 14:54 #2951938
    Jonathan0226
    Participant

    Thanks for the info and the picture!  I’ll set that up.  Ya, I’ve noticed you have to be more accurate with rimshots on this snare than an acoustic snare.

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