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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That could be preset dependent. Not all of them would have the same type of bus processing. I would also go as far as to say that if you are not hearing the same that the OP is hearing, there is probably some sort of issue with your listening environment

Jord

So you are saying it would be better to just do stereo out if i’m not gonna make major changes?

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

It’s far more than simply levels. We’re talking about bus processing for coherence and sitting the mix among other things.

Unless you’re doing anything special with the individual kit pieces, I don’t even see why you wish to go multi-out as you’re not providing any real benefit. Even in SD3, I’m often using the stereo out and apply my favourite bus processing on Logic’s instrument channel. Only time I’ve found myself using multi-out was when I was doing some parallel processing with various UAD & Soundtoys plug-ins. For other songs, there is no benefit.

jord

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I don’t do much changing to anything in the EZmixer. I build a lot of my sounds around the drums Guitars, Keys etc. Like I mentioned the multi out is a visual thing and with side by side comparison of stereo and multi-out there was no level or sound difference.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

It’s not a shame. That is how mixing works. Going multi out means bearing the responsibility of a mix engineer and is hardly limiting. There is far more that can be done, once you learn how.

jord

Jord, I just did a stereo and Multi out side by side comparison in Logic Pro X on one of my songs. All the processing controls work in EZ drummer 3 for both and the levels are the same. Should it not be?

Although I do use Multi out (More for a visual when I’m behind my drum kit), I still use the EZdrummer mixer to edit.

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I think the song sounds good. To me the cymbals seem low in the mix.  Not sure if that is on purpose or not. In the mixer section there are all kinds of adjustments you can make.

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sakendrick wrote:

I’m sure this has been asked but I couldn’t find anything – is there any way to add/change effects in the mixer on EZDrummer 2 without changing kits… for example, I want to add a sustain damper.

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You can do multi out into your daw, then add effects to full drum track or individual tracks.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Yes you can put a limiter on it the track stack. However, I would probably just do a gentle compression. Personally, I wouldn’t get too aggressive on the drum bus as one can easily suck the life out of the drums. Considering you are going multi-out, the EZD3 compressor settings probably won’t make a difference wbether you turn it on or off.

Jord

Im sure a little compression will give it more life. Have a great evening. Thanks again, you have been a lot of help.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Lower the output bus of your track stack to start. Put a compressor on it if you want to control the dynamics of the drums. It’s hard to say without hearing the track. If you have to lower the other instruments, it’s not a huge deal. Again we’re dealing with floating point audio so you are not losing any resolution. I’m continually working with various instrument levels when I am mixing a song.

jord

Thanks again, I will give it a shot with compression. Should I turn off the compression in EZdrummer? Also, could I put a limiter on the track stack?

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I really appreciate your time and input. I’m in a situation where all my tracks are at -6 to -8 except the drums. Without lower all the other tracks, how do I lower drums to -6 without lowering the drum volume? should I stick a limiter on the drum stereo track?

I have 2 songs recorded so far. Now I know to get the drums at the -6 level, then record all the other tracks. But what should I do for these 2 songs?

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I have learned that it is often best to leave around  -6 to -10db of headroom. Less chance of introducing transient distortion when adding compression or limiting. You can always bring up the volume during the mastering phase. Levels are key, especially when doing any final encoding to MP3 or AAC.

jord

Do you use gain staging or track volume to bring down levels?

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“You’ll want to ensure that all levels are lower when you start mastering”

Thanks again for your input. What would you suggest a good level would be before mastering?

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Yes and no on the preset. On a multi-out, the bus processing has been removed, so you’re not controlling any of the output anymore. That would explain a higher level. You would probably want to add some bus processing to reign in the dynamics.

Not to mention, it’s floating point audio. You’re not really peaking at that level.

jord

Thank you. Thats good to know that it’s not really peaking. All my other tracks, Guitars, Vox, keys etc are all in the -6 range. When I mute to drums, the stereo output is at -3 average. When I unmute drums, it pushes output to +3 or 4. What do I do at that point if I want to master? Should I use a limiter on the drums or the output track?

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Is that a summing track stack? If so, that is why. All busses, aux channels and outputs sum up whatever is fed into them. That’s part of what mixing is.

Jord

Should I lower all the individual drum levels? I didn’t change any levels in EZ drummer. It is a preset drum kit. I wouldn’t think the preset would peak.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

That’s not EZD3. Logic is going into “live” mode when you are selecting an instrument track, which means that it is allocating as much CPU core to the track.this can be turned off in the preferences, but you might experience glitching when recording.

Jord

Would this be the Playback and Live Tracks setting under MultiThreading?  For some reason I been getting crackling when recording. I assumed it was my usb on my MacBook. If I unplug interface and replug it, the crackling sometimes has gone away. Unfortunately I have Thunderbolt 2. I would connect my drives and interface with TB instead of usb.

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I’m recording new songs right now with EZDrummer 3. I have recorded a bunch of Electronic music in the past few years on Logic. Check it out, It’s called Electro House. https://open.spotify.com/artist/33d2LU92YHYVZ8YUxoG5hk?si=-IPrUF-uT2qz0f-tHiOOTQ

I will check out your stuff as well.

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Oh, Thats cool. Do you have anything online yet? Yes, I have an Electric kit that I built that I midi into Logic Pro X and use EZDrummer 3.

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