Shen G
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Shen GI +1 this.
Similarly, I’d like to see some global default options for some things like that.
*Always load all/x articulations*
*Always load all/x mic bleeds*
*Always load all/x number of hit variations/layers*
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Thanked by: SaleMesserschmittShen GAppreciate all the front line does here, you’s are always very friendly and helpful. It’s more the behinds the scenes fixes/features/updates that are bit slow/lacking perhaps.
Should I stick to using support to report odd samples?
A reason I thought it better in a forum was perhaps that it was better to gauge more than one persons opinion. Like one of my issues was that some sidestick samples were so varied on the VK snare I thought they sounded like different drums, but others would appreciate the variety. E-drummer vs composer etc. I wouldn’t want others to miss out on things because I don’t want them, but sucks to have to put up with them as well.
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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI’m torn on how I feel about this issue. One side of me thinks it is a pretty expensive “premium” product, it should come with more QA/testing/less issues etc. On the other hand it is an ambitious leading edge product. Nobody else seems to come close in my ears to the “virtual reality” of having access to all the analogue gear (drums, percussion, mics, consoles, rooms) that they offer. If it was so easy someone else would be doing it I guess.
But I do think some solution needs to be made. I’ve reported a couple of complaints regarding samples (damn you Fields of Rock! My favourite yet most bugged SDX). It was only on the forums rather than a support ticket, but neither have been fixed since… over a year ago btw…
While access to the whole sample pool, with a convenient user interface and options to edit it etc, would be ideal. I can imagine Toontrack having some issues it, being it implementation or opening up to some exploit for copy their samples or something? How about a more basic “remove last sample played from pool”? Saved per kit/project whatever. With a notice/option “x samples removed from pool, click to undo”… or something, anything.
One issue that came up in a thread I made was those to primarily used SD3 for composing in DAW/MIDI would appreciate all the variety that they could get. But for me as an e-drummer, those odd sounding samples jump out and break the immersion of playing a “real” kit. With the solution offered so far being reducing the number of hit variations/samples until it goes away. That’s not what I paid the “big bucks” for. One shot machine gunning 😛
I do wish TT could be more communicative/interactive with their customers. Moderated threads/polls for bugs fixes or feature request etc.
Cheers all.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GWhat do you mean by ‘Orchestral is a non-standard one’?
As in it cost more than the other SDX’s, so it doesn’t get included in the fixed price discount bundles.
Whether or not Toontrack will apply the discount for you by hand I don’t know. Seems like they could just have a “plus 100” or whatever on the orchestral SDX when adding…
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GAhh yeah, I think Scott is on to it. Trond, are you mistaking the dotted midi notation as illegible text?
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GFields of Rock has percussion. Congas bongos octobans rototoms etc.
+1 I was going to mention Fields of Rock and Stories have percussion rooms, but IMO the Fields of Rock is bigger/better, plus it is also one of if not my favourite SDX anyway.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI agree the Hi-Hats are the weakest part of SD3. Which is understandably as it is has to be the hardest part of a kit to recreate/sample.
But yeah, being that Toontrack seems to want to be the best sampler in the biz, they shy away from those kinds of artificial manipulations that a drum modeller software may use. It is the main reason why I prefer SD3 to anything else, the realism of the recording. I kind of surprised they even have tuning options for the drums rather than increasing their work and the install size 10x with actually retuned drums and new samples! 😛 oh yeah that why.
But yeah, I do hope and expect something in SD4 will address the issues with hats. Hopefully some kind of (optional) 1’s and 0’s magic that keeps the best of real samples and the best recreation of how they perform in real life.
The eDrummin I use has some good mitigations for the issues, still not perfect obviously.
PS. Feel free to drop it in to SD3 TT 😉
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen Gwhat IS a property box even?
https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/3/#3-5-property-boxes
Excuse the lazy link posting, but it explains it better than I could anyway. But yeah, I can’t imagine much need for saving anything to do with that other than a default layout.
I don’t use the song stuff in SD3
Me either, but I guess some people do, so the option is provided to save all that work together.
This seems to be alli need along with the templates i save in ableton
Same again really. Since I’ve figured out Track Templates in Reaper (I presume it’s something like what you’re doing in Ableton) I just used that to recall/import any SDX/custom kits with multi-out routing and some FX etc. The state of everything in SD3 seem to be saved so it’s super quick and easy to load custom stuff.
If I were to start from scratch, I’m not sure I’d even save anything inside of SD3 anymore.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GHI there,
Sorry for the slow response. Using kit: “Superior Drummer 3”, Preset: “Rock Kit 1” side stick articulation is not cutting off or ducking the centre or rim shot articulations.
So as John asked, what SDX, kit and preset are you using?
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I just checked with that preset and could hear the cross stick muting the centre hit ring/tail. If you have death and darkness, the Dunnett snare rings for days and should be easier to tell. Also the VK from FoR Live Room.
I guess it’s going for the realism of muting the snare with the hand as a cross stick would typically be played.
Edit: Similar to Brad’s suggested work around, I found if you stack on the centre articulation the same snare, then mute the center articulation on that first snare, the cross stick wont mute the stacked articulation.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI’m no expert, but I think it basically goes:
1st one is saving the kit settings. Drum choices, midi mapping, velocity curves etc and mixer settings.
2nd one is just the layout of the options/settings windows that are displayed down the right.
the 3rd one is the whole “project”. I think it would include the settings of both those plus anything else like midi tracks/grooves.
I agree that an option for opening a particular kit by default for each SDX would be nice.
There are actually quite a few default settings that I’d like to be able to customise. One day I’ll get around to looking/posting in the feature request forum here
Hope I’m not too wrong.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GSince you’re playing E-Drums and you’re not a producer/song writer, I can tell you that some libraries sound great on the computer but are not so great when used with E-drums, like the Death & Darkness for instance, the stock library is also recorded very quietly, you can barely hear the cymbals whereas the Fields of Rock is just plug and play with edrums, you just need to modify the midi mapping but then you can blow your ears off very easily!
Yeah, so much this. I know all my preferred SDX’s are mixed/levelled to have max velocity bashing to be closer to 0dB on the main outs. Mainly what I mean when I say they sound better to me and I’m too lazy to volume/level match everything. I get what you mean with D&D SDX, though I find Death OK, but Darkness a bit quiet.
Then are other strange decisions like many Tom Dalgety presets from Fields of Rock having velocity envelopes on the kick and snares that make them too quiet etc. Perhaps this is a difference in design choice for e-drums vs midi programming.
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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI personally love Fields of Rock for modern rock. Legacy of Rock for classic Led Zeppelin era rock. For the progressive metal part I would recommend Death and Darkness. I use it a lot for other stuff too eg. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Tool. The ping of the Dunnet cast iron snare *chef kiss*, plus all the bell brass’s. Plenty of nice drums in that pack, seems like good “value”.
I’m particularly biased towards the SDX’s that have come after SD3, I think they sound a step above the couple I have from pre SD3 (Rock Warehouse and Prog Foundry). But I’m a lazy amateur who doesn’t want to spend time working to get the best sound from things.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
I personally love Fields of Rock for modern rock. Legacy of Rock for classic Led Zeppelin era rock. For the progressive metal part I would recommend Death and Darkness. I use it a lot for other stuff too eg. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Tool. The ping of the Dunnet cast iron snare *chef kiss*, plus all the bell brass’s. Plenty of nice drums in that pack, seems like good “value”.
I’m particularly biased towards the SDX’s that have come after SD3, I think they sound a step above the couple I have from pre SD3 (Rock Warehouse and Prog Foundry). But I’m a lazy amateur who doesn’t want to spend time working to get the best sound from things.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
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Thanked by: AltRootzShen GI can’t really help, other than to say I noticed the issue too, but never bother mentioning it as I don’t use the SDX.
It is a strange problem to describe. To me it seems that once the CC hits around the HH closed pedal stage, or perhaps between the tight and closed range (I think can vary with set up though?), it reverses and rapidly changes the CC the opposite way.
This is with a VH-10 as well, but plugged it to an eDRUMin. And yeah, doesn’t happen with any other library I have either.
ps. oh yeah! I forget about “contact support”. I’m not sure which is most appropriate, that or forums and for what problems.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GAhh yeah, I’m starting to see how different the wants and needs of someone composing in midi and someone wanting the playing experience as I described can be. I can only imagine how good your drums would sound with that effort and detail.
Good luck Toontrack keeping both types happy!
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GThanks for getting back to me Damian.
While I don’t envy the teams job of sampling so many variations, and balancing the need for enough difference to sound natural and avoid the dreaded machine gun effect and enough consistency so as you hear back what you expect when you play it. And I don’t want to deny others some variety if it usable for them in a midi programming scenario, but as a e-drum player I find this example to jarring and unrealistic to use. Perhaps if it wasn’t on one of my favourite snares either, I could more easily ignore it 😛
If there was positional sensing on every instrument and articulation so you could trigger the various sounds at will, that would be another thing.
*shudders at the thought of multiplying what you’s already do with various levels of edge to centre hits* 😀
Cheers
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
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