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[Shen G]

Jason Bass wrote:

what IS a property box even?

https://www.toontrack.com/manual/superior-drummer-3/3/#3-5-property-boxes

Excuse the lazy link posting, but it explains it better than I could anyway.  But yeah, I can’t imagine much need for saving anything to do with that other than a default layout.

Jason Bass wrote:

I don’t use the song stuff in SD3

Me either, but I guess some people do, so the option is provided to save all that work together.

Jason Bass wrote:

This seems to be alli need along with the templates i save in ableton

Same again really.  Since I’ve figured out Track Templates in Reaper (I presume it’s something like what you’re doing in Ableton) I just used that to recall/import any SDX/custom kits with multi-out routing and some FX etc.  The state of everything in SD3 seem to be saved so it’s super quick and easy to load custom stuff.

If I were to start from scratch, I’m not sure I’d even save anything inside of SD3 anymore.

Reply To: Saving Presets in Superior Drummer 3 version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[Shen G]

Brad wrote:

HI there,

Sorry for the slow response. Using kit:  “Superior Drummer 3”, Preset: “Rock Kit 1” side stick articulation is not cutting off or ducking the centre or rim shot articulations.

So as John asked, what SDX, kit and preset are you using?

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I just checked with that preset and could hear the cross stick muting the centre hit ring/tail.  If you have death and darkness, the Dunnett snare rings for days and should be easier to tell.  Also the VK from FoR Live Room.

I guess it’s going for the realism of muting the snare with the hand as a cross stick would typically be played.

 

Edit:  Similar to Brad’s suggested work around, I found if you stack on the centre articulation the same snare, then mute the center articulation on that first snare, the cross stick wont mute the stacked articulation.

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[Shen G]

I’m no expert, but I think it basically goes:

1st one is saving the kit settings.  Drum choices, midi mapping, velocity curves etc and mixer settings.

2nd one is just the layout of the options/settings windows that are displayed down the right.

the 3rd one is the whole “project”.  I think it would include the settings of both those plus anything else like midi tracks/grooves.

I agree that an option for opening a particular kit by default for each SDX would be nice.

There are actually quite a few default settings that I’d like to be able to customise.  One day I’ll get around to looking/posting in the feature request forum here

Hope I’m not too wrong.

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[Shen G]

BlueMistral wrote:

Since you’re playing E-Drums and you’re not a producer/song writer, I can tell you that some libraries sound great on the computer but are not so great when used with E-drums, like the Death & Darkness for instance, the stock library is also recorded very quietly, you can barely hear the cymbals whereas the Fields of Rock is just plug and play with edrums, you just need to modify the midi mapping but then you can blow your ears off very easily!

Yeah, so much this.  I know all my preferred SDX’s are mixed/levelled to have max velocity bashing to be closer to 0dB on the main outs.  Mainly what I mean when I say they sound better to me and I’m too lazy to volume/level match everything.  I get what you mean with D&D SDX, though I find Death OK, but Darkness a bit quiet.

Then are other strange decisions like many Tom Dalgety presets from Fields of Rock having velocity envelopes on the kick and snares that make them too quiet etc.  Perhaps this is a difference in  design choice for e-drums vs midi programming.

Reply To: Recommended SDX packs version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[Shen G]

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I personally love Fields of Rock for modern rock.  Legacy of Rock for classic Led Zeppelin era rock.  For the progressive metal part I would recommend Death and Darkness.  I use it a lot for other stuff too eg. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Tool.  The ping of the Dunnet cast iron snare *chef kiss*, plus all the bell brass’s.  Plenty of nice drums in that pack, seems like good “value”.

I’m particularly biased towards the SDX’s that have come after SD3, I think they sound a step above the couple I have from pre SD3 (Rock Warehouse and Prog Foundry).  But I’m a lazy amateur who doesn’t want to spend time working to get the best sound from things.

Reply To: Recommended SDX packs version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

I personally love Fields of Rock for modern rock.  Legacy of Rock for classic Led Zeppelin era rock.  For the progressive metal part I would recommend Death and Darkness.  I use it a lot for other stuff too eg. Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Tool.  The ping of the Dunnet cast iron snare *chef kiss*, plus all the bell brass’s.  Plenty of nice drums in that pack, seems like good “value”.

I’m particularly biased towards the SDX’s that have come after SD3, I think they sound a step above the couple I have from pre SD3 (Rock Warehouse and Prog Foundry).  But I’m a lazy amateur who doesn’t want to spend time working to get the best sound from things.

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[Shen G]

I can’t really help, other than to say I noticed the issue too, but never bother mentioning it as I don’t use the SDX.
It is a strange problem to describe.  To me it seems that once the CC hits around the HH closed pedal stage, or perhaps between the tight and closed range (I think can vary with set up though?), it reverses and rapidly changes the CC the opposite way.

This is with a VH-10 as well, but plugged it to an eDRUMin.  And yeah, doesn’t happen with any other library I have either.

ps. oh yeah!  I forget about “contact support”.  I’m not sure which is most appropriate, that or forums and for what problems.

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[Shen G]

Ahh yeah, I’m starting to see how different the wants and needs of someone composing in midi and someone wanting the playing experience as I described can be. I can only imagine how good your drums would sound with that effort and detail.

Good luck Toontrack keeping both types happy!

[Shen G]

Thanks for getting back to me Damian.

While I don’t envy the teams job of sampling so many variations, and balancing the need for enough difference to sound natural and avoid the dreaded machine gun effect and enough consistency so as you hear back what you expect when you play it.  And I don’t want to deny others some variety if it usable for them in a midi programming scenario, but as a e-drum player I find this example to jarring and unrealistic to use.  Perhaps if it wasn’t on one of my favourite snares either, I could more easily ignore it 😛

If there was positional sensing on every instrument and articulation so you could trigger the various sounds at will, that would be another thing.

*shudders at the thought of multiplying what you’s already do with various levels of edge to centre hits* 😀

 

Cheers

[Shen G]

As I said, I do want realistic variation, but the more I listen to these the more I’m sure they are different drums.  Unless one sample is with a detuned skin and  a 15lb weight on it ala Estepario Siberiano style or something.  Or perhaps I am a drum guru with a great ear! ;D

I managed to get rid of the most offending sample by dropping the max velocity to 90, and while that is not as bad as reducing it to a single shot/no round robin, it seems an unnecessary workaround and loss of samples.  I’m not sure if I should think of SD3 as an amazing tool or a product aiming for the perfect recreation of acoustic kits, gear and recoding spaces for edrummers and/or home producers.

I never said don’t want to learn SD3, just that I know there is a lot I don’t know.  And tbh, EZX’s have never grabbed my ears like the superior line.  I don’t get that ‘close my eyes and hit a drum and be “convinced” I’m in a room with real drums’ kinda thing.  I don’t have many pre SD3 SDX’s, but even they seem rather lifeless compared everything they have released since Bob Rock’s.  So much so I’m basically on insta buy whenever new ones come out… with a few regrets 😛

Anyhoo, I’m leaning towards just using the sidestick sample of another snare.  1st world problems!

[Shen G]

I’m all for nuanced realistic variation but not the sound of a rubber ball bouncing around a drum shop! ;D

Something I find particular about cross stick as well is that should have a pretty consistent metronomic style to it.  At least from my memory and music.  This is sounding like a broken clock with its:  tick tick tick tock tick tock tock tick tick tock 😛

I’m not sure I understand the way you are going about it.  There’s so much to this program, midi, daw’s etc that I dont know.  I do next to no midi editing, choosing to try and emulate the acoustic kits, equipment and studio setups I will never have.  I certainly could just use a sample from another drum, but that would go against my fantasy of this set up being “real!”.

 

Cheers

Reply To: Sidestick sample too varied. Fields of Rock – Live version: 3.3.6
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[Shen G]

Ahhh, I always forget about that randomise hits option.  Was trying eliminate/isolate it with layer options, but alas neither way have managed to get rid of it.

For your 2nd suggestion, do you mean just use a sidestick (I too agree it SHOULD be called cross stick 😛 ) sample from another drum?

Couldn’t figure out how to isolate some different samples for comparison.  Something I don’t understand about the randomness of multi sampled round robins etc.  But I have a clip that should still make it clear.  It finishes with the most offending sample ( also note the “OK” at the tail end hehe).  I think there is another sample that sounds a bit off but doesn’t have any talking at the end.

There is also a sample in Legacy of Rock that has, I presume, Eddie Kramer talking but I don’t want that gone because it would be too cool to have his voice on a track, even if people can’t hear it! 😀

[Shen G]

A fringe benefit of having so many layers/samples, it offers a bit of redundancy!

Thanks for the workaround/tip.

Reply To: Missing sample in Fields of Rock – Stone version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

[Shen G]

Yeah, all up to date.

I keep seeing it on velocities between 73 and 78.

I do have all the layer limits maxed out.  I can’t seem to make it happen with default 4 layers.

Cheers.

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[Shen G]

Without having heard that EZX, I think the Fields of Rock SDX is the best and most versatile SDX out there.  I’d pick it for the “if you had to have just 1”.

Though I would have to think the Legacy of Rock SDX would be more “equivalent” to the Big Rock Drums being more 60/70’s based.

Those 2 and Death and Darkness would be my top 3 SDX’s for what it’s worth.  (I have all SD3 SDX’s but Orchestral).

[Shen G]

Don’t mean to derail the thread, I just thought I’d note that don’t see your email on your profile either. (Firefox)

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