Shen G
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Shen GPlus one for the State of the Art recommendations for the most natural sounding. Knowing how may toms you have/like, the extra floor tom you might appreciate. I have enjoyed the excuse to muck around with having a floor tom on the left like it has by default on a couple of the bigger kits. Bucket of Fish’s never sounded so good! 😀
I like the U2 Joshua Tree snare sound. (think bullet the blue sky)
There is a bit of ring to that snare sound though, and leads me to probably my biggest gripe with SotA, there are too many dry/short/doofy sounding snares, and I have a fondness for ring/overtones (90 grunge kid). Otherwise the tom sounds are perhaps my favourite of any SDX. So I’d kind of lean toward Stories for that snare sound.
how’s the percussion in Fields of Rock?
I agree with Jord, it’s good. But a bunch of it is taken up with foley like samples, which are fun, but the Stories set has more musical options. So depending if there is something specific you want, I think thats better for percussion. And if you want to do the cowbell intro part from Killing in the Name, the LP Rock and Salsa Cha Cha Low Cowbell’s are perfect!
Having said that, I much prefer the drum and especially cymbal sounds of FoR. Probably my favourite SDX for cymbals.
My 2c
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GCan confirm. Happened at 31 and 35 velocities.
edit: oh, and it’s on hit articulation to be clear.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GeDrumIn also has it’s own “SteadyHats” feature which aims to alleviate the issue Damian describes and IMO does a much better job than SD3’s solution. I’d guess they wouldn’t play nice having both on at the same time either, but from memory of brief testing I much preferred the eDrumIn solution.
Betting it being improved for SD4 will be one of it’s bigger selling points.
Cheers.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
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Thanked by: pumpkinkingShen Ghehe damn, the jedi mind trick worked on me the first time unfortunately. The only reason I figured it out was it being inexplicable to not have a forum search function at all, so was the only thing to try. I presumed “View all Results” would be more, less relevant products.
But you do have a good point that it is a shop website first and foremost. I am more used to tech sites like Anandtech (RIP) with rather separate forums. Or just forum sites themselves.
Perhaps just a rewording of “View all Results” to “Include Forums” or even “Advanced”
Using google to search the site is also a solution.
Cheers all.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GIt’s unfriendly in that every new user that tries to use it sees the initial results being only products and presume this isn’t the forum search they are looking for
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
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Thanked by: zenwarlordShen GWhile not exactly the same situation as Alex, I am using only 1 instance in a project, but also find the exit/shutdown/unload times to be strangely long, nearly as long as the loading.
Having a pretty fast SSD it isn’t excruciation but I would think too long for a live situation to change song to song… without some planned banter 😉 Although without any bleed or ambient mics for live I guess it would be fine.
With some of my bigger kits being around 15GB’s, it can take some time though. And without any disk activity, and not much CPU usage it seems strange watching the RAM utilisation decrease so slowly on exit. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it just a windoze memory management thing that would be hard/impossible to improve from TT’s end.
This may also spur me to look for or start a thread about some of the technical/performance aspects of SD3. Why I don’t see great utilisation of SSD/CPU speeds when loading comes to mind.
Cheers all.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen Ghehe, I think drumjack might enjoy me eating some of my own words…
I was going to clarify my comments re: windows being fine. I do use a regedit trick to get sd3 and reaper.exe to be high priority by default to keep them above background tasks (process lasso was weird for me), but windows does still glitch out in the first few minutes after boot (windoze update check or whatever) so I just expect it and don’t record straight away. I’m also just generally playing as a hobby. If I was doing something critical like proper recording, I would turn off internet, real time protection and updates.
This has been fine for hours long playing without glitches, then last night about an hour in some compatibility telemetry process popped up and chewed on my CPU for a second or 2 causing glitches! Damn you Bill Gates! *shakes fist*
So yeah windows can suck, as much improved as it is nowadays.
If you are still feeling the loading to be especially slow though, I think its worth some investigation with some benchmarks/hwinfo.
Something like that could be going on.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI never said my computer was the fastest in the world – those are your words.
I wasn’t being literal. I just think that your suggestion that the OP needs to upgrade his PC is wrong. I don’t know if my comparing it to yours offended you? And your assertion that your Mac is in any way faster hardware wise is bizarre. Then I fell for your smart arse “try again” comment, sorry about the snarkyness that followed.
I get you’re trying to help. Same here. I don’t think a new machine is his answer.
Having said that, from your other thread BP, a new bigger faster SSD for that M.2 slot wouldn’t hurt. I’m just thinking there is a bottleneck elsewhere. What kind of speeds does task manager show up to when loading? That 38MB/s is so low. HWiNFO may be easier to get a reading and or you can check USB connection versions.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hwinfo/
I also spent days looking up windows optimisations and spent hours setting up my previous windows machine, but with the latest I basically just went a clean install (the cleaner LTSC version though), install latest drivers, set power profile to performance and it’s been fine. Perhaps run something like ShutUp10 for a basic clean up.
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
I feel like a lot of those guides are outdated winXP era kinda stuff.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GWell then, 3 times perhaps. Do you even know what model your CPU is beyond “6 cores and 3.46 GHz”? I don’t understand why you think something so old is the fastest thing in the world and you say
I just looked up your computer and I seriously doubt you’ll get top notch performance out of it with music.
His machine, while small/low power like a laptop, is modern an efficient.
And they’re called benchmarks. They measure performance.
I’m not saying I have all the answers. I’m guessing at some things and theorising from the under-performance I’m seeing from my disk/s that there may be a single threaded decompression step holding it back.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI posted in your other thread about the lack of need for an upgrade, but here I’d also like to suggest trying Reaper if you want. It’s not technically free, but basically is with a 5 sec nag screen. And it’s so cheap I ended up paying for it anyway. But you can at least dip your toes in without commitment.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GAnd CPU’s have actually gotten faster over the past 12 years! 😛
passmark says BP’s cpu is about 4 times faster than yours.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+E5645+%40+2.40GHz&id=1252
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+7+5800H&id=3907
Not that that site and numbers are perfect, but gets to my point. BP doesn’t need to upgrade and neither do you.
True I’d rather drives be on pcie or nvme than USB, but provided they’re running at at least 10Gbps (USB 3.2 gen 2 (omg naming convention!!!1!)) you get 1GB/s transfer speed, and as I was saying, I rarely see mine get above that speed anyway, so I don’t see the interface being that much of a bottleneck.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GI saw you made a new what to buy thread bpjacobsen, but I really don’t think your PC is the problem, specs wise. It’s plenty fast. I dare say faster than a 2012 mac pro 😛 barring some of that magic Apple fairy dust.
As an eDrumin fan, I’d also trust what Rob says 😛 Don’t mean to call you out drumjack, you’re helpful and asked some good questions. And tbh, I’m the kind of guy that likes plenty of spare room and 450mA out of 500 makes me uneasy 😀 But I don’t think that has anything to do with bpj’s issues anyway.
It seems you’re knowledgable enough to not be running a bloated prebuilt like drumjack asked, and I half expected to find you were using a $20 bargain SSD you found on ebay or something to begin with.
One thing that stands out is the 38MB/s reading is task manager. That seems too low and makes me think some part of that USB chain may be running at 2.0 speeds. And you say it seems like something new and I feel like I have heard of issues with devices “down versioning” their connection, but don’t have experience with it myself. See if you can get faster speeds perhaps. File copy or CrystalDiskMark etc.
When I built my new PC esp for SD3, a Ryzen 5700x, X570 motherboard, PCIe 4.0 drive etc, I was underwhelmed by the speedup from the old PC. It seems to me that the SD3 software is very single threaded despite the Performance setting for number of CPU cores , judging by the 12.5%ish CPU usage when loading kits and I guess decompressing (from lossless) in to RAM. Perhaps the cores setting helps with a lot of FX?
My Drive Model: Samsung 980 PRO with Heatsink 1TB seems to max out at about 1GB/s when loading kits/bleed. It benchmarks up to 6GB/s sequential, but down to 90MB/s at worst random reads. I also wonder if the nature of many samples being loaded makes it a workload closer to random. Seems like something that could be optimised for though?
Also don’t get cought up on the PCIe 4/5/6 max bandwidth things. Even 5 requires active cooling to maintain performance at those speeds. And fans on a storage device is something I just can’t abide!
I’ve often wondered about SD3 performance characteristics. I’d be happy to try doing different tests for curiosity sake.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GMy first thought would be the crosstalk settings in your module. Lower them until it goes away, or until hitting one pads triggers another pad at the same time, then dial it up until that goes away.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GAre you just loading up the default kit Jason, no FX/preset/changes and it’s happening?
I just did my version of a 3 minute ride solo with just channel solo’d, all layers and voices enabled and I didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary.
Is it the bell, bow1/2, edge articulation? Perhaps a recording /project file could helpful.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
Shen GWe have released an update which addresses the samples you reported and also the low velocity VK rimshot issue reported by Shen G
To be clear, I think that was BlueMistral’s report 😉 My report of the missing or very low volume sample on the Ludwig Classic Oak – No Hole is fixed though 🙂
My issue with the VK is the hard sidestick samples (tbh, some gradient samples aren’t much better). Where playing a sidestick beat sounds like it goes – tick tick tock tick tock tick tick tick tock. I get that it is a more subjective thing, but it sounds ridiculous to me. ….I still love you Fields of Rock! What with the big Sonor kit, lovely modern Ludwig, novelty but surprisingly usable Staccato kit. The awesome chrome kit in the Dry room plus nice other 2. The amazing Brittish Drum Co kit in that beautiful Live room. Great cymbal and snare selection throughout. Plus some good percussion and fun stuff, and a room/mic setup that allows easy mixing and matching pieces from each room. Getting the Rooms of Hansa to mix is beyond me. And those corridor and chamber mic’s *chef kiss*. I still can’t help but rate it as my fav SDX, and I have most.
I still think something needs doing about the sidestick issue. But if that is only subjective/choice type thing, I think something, at least like my ‘remove last sample played’ feature needs to be introduced. I literally have to set it to 1 hard and 0 gradient to stop it sounding all over the place, but then it obviously stupidly machine gunny. But if other can use those different samples, I don’t want to take it from them. Using a different snare for sidestick samples isn’t the end of the world, just seem’s to break from the otherwise quality of the virtual experience of the recorded gear.
To that end, feeling a bit like a FoR expert atm, and lover of that Live room/kit, I can’t say I’ve noticed anything like what Jason describes regarding that ride cymbal.
Cheers all.
SD3 with Fields of Rock, Death and Darkness, Real to Reel, Legacy of Rock, Stories, Hitmaker, Decades, State of the Art, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.
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