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[Shen G]

PS. The Stories SDX also has a kick sub channel 😉

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Cries in 15 second load time for the default Oyster Ambience kit.

This is from a Crucial T500 2TB PCIe Gen4 NVMe M.2 SSD.  It benches around 6.5GB/s peak.  Real world copies (eg the Legacy of Rock folder) at around 3.5GB/s until I presume the SLC cache runs out on the Samsung 980 PRO I’m copying to.  But never seems to top around 1GB/s when loading kits, often around 500MB/s.

I speculated in another thread discussing this that the decrypting/decompressing process is single threaded perhaps.  I notice CPU usage staying around that 12.5% a lot on an 8 core CPU, even if SMT is on.  The only time I’ve noticed much higher usage is on kits with more processing going on, particularly pitch shifted instruments.

So I suspect it’s my Ryzen 5700x holding ME back.  Win 10, 32GB’s of ram, set to 8 cores and SSD’s in SD3.

Getting better utilisation from the hardware would be great TT 🙂

 

edit: speeling

Operating system: Windows 10

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

• This post was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by Shen G.

[Shen G]

What I want is a Sonor SQ2 kit!

One hasn’t been sampled since SD3 came out, with Tomas Haake’s Custom in the Metal Foundry SDX being the latest I could find.  But the sound quality and playability improvements since SD3, particularly post Death and Darkness, make the older SDX’s a no go for me.

Pleeeease Toontrack!

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

+1

I agree with the problem and that solution seems sensible and doable.

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Sorry man.  I should have thought to provide a sound clip for you to check out.

I still find it to be pretty close and most likely at least the starting point for that song/production.  The kit pieces sound right.  What about it sounds different to you?

I found adding Black Box by Analogue Designs (saturator I think) brings out the high’s of the cymbals a bit and some Shadow Hills Mastering Comp on the drum buss helps it get a bit closer.  Both those are pretty popular on drums afaik.  And the 22″ kick has more low end like the song.

 

Sorry I didn’t/can’t help more.  Well I can try…

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Copy paste from ya other thread:

I have always assumed all the demos would use the presets included, but never bothered to check if I’m being the “ass” in that situation…

There is indeed a preset called Baxter for the Live room, and it indeed does sound like it’s the kit preset used in that track.  But to my amatuer ear it sounds like it had some added compression and perhaps eq/other mild fx for the “full production”.

 

Cheers.

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

I have always assumed all the demos would use the presets included, but never bothered to check if I’m being the “ass” in that situation…

There is indeed a preset called Baxter for the Live room, and it indeed does sound like it’s the kit preset used in that track.  But to my amatuer ear it sounds like it had some added compression and perhaps eq/other mild fx for the “full production”.

 

Cheers.

Reply To: Fields of rock question version: 3.4.0
Operating system: Windows 10

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Plus one for the State of the Art recommendations for the most natural sounding.  Knowing how may toms you have/like, the extra floor tom you might appreciate.  I have enjoyed the excuse to muck around with having a floor tom on the left like it has by default on a couple of the bigger kits.  Bucket of Fish’s never sounded so good! 😀

 

bpjacobsen wrote:

I like the U2 Joshua Tree snare sound. (think bullet the blue sky)

There is a bit of ring to that snare sound though, and leads me to probably my biggest gripe with SotA, there are too many dry/short/doofy sounding snares, and I have a fondness for ring/overtones (90 grunge kid).  Otherwise the tom sounds are perhaps my favourite of any SDX.  So I’d kind of lean toward Stories for that snare sound.

 

drumjack52 wrote:

how’s the percussion in Fields of Rock?

I agree with Jord, it’s good.  But a bunch of it is taken up with foley like samples, which are fun, but the Stories set has more musical options.  So depending if there is something specific you want, I think thats better for percussion.  And if you want to do the cowbell intro part from Killing in the Name, the LP Rock and Salsa Cha Cha Low Cowbell’s are perfect!
Having said that, I much prefer the drum and especially cymbal sounds of FoR.  Probably my favourite SDX for cymbals.

 

My 2c

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

Can confirm.  Happened at 31 and 35 velocities.

edit: oh, and it’s on hit articulation to be clear.

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

• This post was modified 9 months, 1 week ago by Shen G.

[Shen G]

eDrumIn also has it’s own “SteadyHats” feature which aims to alleviate the issue Damian describes and IMO does a much better job than SD3’s solution.  I’d guess they wouldn’t play nice having both on at the same time either, but from memory of brief testing I much preferred the eDrumIn solution.

Betting it being improved for SD4 will be one of it’s bigger selling points.

Cheers.

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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[Shen G]

hehe damn, the jedi mind trick worked on me the first time unfortunately.  The only reason I figured it out was it being inexplicable to not have a forum search function at all, so was the only thing to try.  I presumed “View all Results” would be more, less relevant products.

But you do have a good point that it is a shop website first and foremost.  I am more used to tech sites like Anandtech (RIP) with rather separate forums.  Or just forum sites themselves.

Perhaps just a rewording of “View all Results” to “Include Forums” or even “Advanced”

Using google to search the site is also a solution.

Cheers all.

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

It’s unfriendly in that every new user that tries to use it sees the initial results being only products and presume this isn’t the forum search they are looking for

 

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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[Shen G]

While not exactly the same situation as Alex, I am using only 1 instance in a project, but also find the exit/shutdown/unload times to be strangely long, nearly as long as the loading.

Having a pretty fast SSD it isn’t excruciation but I would think too long for a live situation to change song to song… without some planned banter 😉  Although without any bleed or ambient mics for live I guess it would be fine.

With some of my bigger kits being around 15GB’s, it can take some time though.  And without any disk activity, and not much CPU usage it seems strange watching the RAM utilisation decrease so slowly on exit.  Although I wouldn’t be surprised if it just a windoze memory management thing that would be hard/impossible to improve from TT’s end.

 

This may also spur me to look for or start a thread about some of the technical/performance aspects of SD3.  Why I don’t see great utilisation of SSD/CPU speeds when loading comes to mind.

Cheers all.

Reply To: Multiple SD3 Instances slowing down computer version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 10

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

hehe, I think drumjack might enjoy me eating some of my own words…

I was going to clarify my comments re: windows being fine.  I do use a regedit trick to get sd3 and reaper.exe to be high priority by default to keep them above background tasks (process lasso was weird for me), but windows does still glitch out in the first few minutes after boot (windoze update check or whatever) so I just expect it and don’t record straight away.  I’m also just generally playing as a hobby.  If I was doing something critical like proper recording, I would turn off internet, real time protection and updates.

This has been fine for hours long playing without glitches, then last night about an hour in some compatibility telemetry process popped up and chewed on my CPU for a second or 2 causing glitches!  Damn you Bill Gates! *shakes fist*

 

So yeah windows can suck, as much improved as it is nowadays.

 

If you are still feeling the loading to be especially slow though, I think its worth some investigation with some benchmarks/hwinfo.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/usb-30-device-works-like-usb-20-slow-speed/bc689658-2a47-4879-89c8-331c5607d6a9

Something like that could be going on.

Reply To: Slow load time when loading projects version: 3.3.7
Operating system: Windows 10

SD3 with Real to Reel, Fields of Rock, Drum Factory, Death and Darkness, Legacy of Rock, Hitmaker, Stories, State of the Art, Decades, Stockholm, Jazz Sessions, Hansa, Rock Foundry, Area 33 (in order of preference). Plus a few older SDX's and EZX's.
Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

[Shen G]

drumjack52 wrote:

I never said my computer was the fastest in the world – those are your words.

I wasn’t being literal.  I just think that your suggestion that the OP needs to upgrade his PC is wrong.  I don’t know if my comparing it to yours offended you?  And your assertion that your Mac is in any way faster hardware wise is bizarre.  Then I fell for your smart arse “try again” comment, sorry about the snarkyness that followed.

I get you’re trying to help.  Same here.  I don’t think a new machine is his answer.

Having said that, from your other thread BP, a new bigger faster SSD for that M.2 slot wouldn’t hurt.  I’m just thinking there is a bottleneck elsewhere.  What kind of speeds does task manager show up to when loading?  That 38MB/s is so low.  HWiNFO may be easier to get a reading and or you can check USB connection versions.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/hwinfo/

I also spent days looking up windows optimisations and spent hours setting up my previous windows machine, but with the latest I basically just went a clean install (the cleaner LTSC version though), install latest drivers, set power profile to performance and it’s been fine.  Perhaps run something like ShutUp10 for a basic clean up.

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

I feel like a lot of those guides are outdated winXP era kinda stuff.

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Into: Reaper with Ryzen 5700x, 32GB RAM and assorted SSD's.
Through: Focusrite Scarlett 6i6 Gen2 USB Audio Interface
From: eDRUMin 10 + eDRUMin 8 with assorted Roland and Yamaha pads.

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