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[Ryanrrr]

This (sorry I tried quoting shooties response)

Reducing buffer size down is also done in sd3.

now that you have said that, I suspect this is the problem

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[Ryanrrr]

Guessing you have decreased the buffer size setting on the software down as far as you can go without the sound popping or cracking? Aim for 64 or 32 if its an option.

Motu M2 interfaces are also beasts for low latency, but much cheaper than RME.

But as Shootie said, might be the laptops low processing speeds.

Btw some DAWs only shows latency speed of latency out, or in. And some show both. So the 5.6ms of latency you mentioned might only be one of these. Cant imagine its both, otherwise you wouldn’t be here. 5.6ms of latency for an all round trip is excellent

 

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[Ryanrrr]

Theres a guy called Martin whos pretty well known on all the groups and fourms under the name of becuase.drum.geek – search him on facebook, as he does online set up via zoom I think, not sure what he charges.

But personally, you would hugely benefit from buying an RME babyface audio interface. It will outsource all the audio processing from your computer to it and will be able to handle the audio mucher easier at much faster speeds (compared to both the roland module and computer).

Maybe buy one from an online retailer (who offers a 30 day return windows) to test it. If it works keep it, if it doesnt send it back.

so the chain would be:

roland module > laptop to play sd3 > rme babyface audio interface, which is where you would plug your headphones into

Dw its worth the struggle in the end lol – sd3 is awesome

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[Ryanrrr]

I did try the sub kick bus and it helped a little, but not really to the point of putting back in the amount of response from the roland kit samples.

Any other ideas? I dont know if anyones tried a higher end audio interface and maybe noticed a difference in audio quality/frequency range?

[Ryanrrr]

Oh yeah! Excellent idea

I do just play causally so the sub kick bus is the way to go i think.

So its more than likely just the SD3 samples not having much sub frequencies? Rather than there being a hardware/software deficiency somewhere in the chain?

[Ryanrrr]

Okay I figured it out (was quite obvious actually) in case anyone else comes across this..!

i downloaded an tuner app on my phone and just played the sound out the laptop speakers.

I see why I couldn’t get the toms to fit by ear – the pitch/note bends into another note on some of the tom samples (like both jord and korken said) so have to be a bit picky on the selection. The tuner app leaves no room for error and tells you exactly where to go with the tuning.

Plus you can use the pitch effect to adjust the pitch bend.

I also needed to offset one of the tom samples, as it sounded like there was a delay/latency. But my god, it sounds so much better.. not even tightened it up yet or EQ or compressed

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[Ryanrrr]

Korken wrote:

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

I’m a little confused as to why you would want to layer toms and cymbals in such a manner. Cymbals are rather a tonal and the result is mainly going to be noise upon noise. In the case of toms, you are dealing with differences in resonanaces. When I’m doing such kit pieces, it’s more for the transient impact. Thus I will use an envelope to keep the transient and remove the rest of the kit piece.

jord

Hello Jordan, actually I watched a video of Shootie (I don’t recall if it was open or in member area), where he stacked two toms and the difference between pitch was audible. When they sounded together, the modulation was evident. He tried with tuning to match the pitch and modulation disappeared. I tried to reproduce it, with similar experience.

Another thing that one can take care is when one wants to use the attack of just one of the pieces, using the resonance of both and that is a good task for the envelope control.

Ah ill have to check out that video! Thanks

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[Ryanrrr]

Just a matter of taste I guess..

Anyone else with any ideas on a quick/accurate solution for the tuning function?

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[Ryanrrr]

Sorry just re-read your post haha. Differences in resonance may be the issue and reducing the release on the envelope greatly helps. I do still find I can hear a note difference on the impact sound laying toms.

 

 

[Ryanrrr]

I do predict alot of trial and error layering toms and it may not work; wont know until I get past the tuning issue.

I use SD3 soley for e-druming and am looking for the most real life drum sounding samples possible. For this im looking to have a full and wide frequency range to give that real life sound.

To give you an example of the idea, it comes from what I have done on the snare and kick drums. Ill use snare as an example; ill take a cracky high end snare, and then layer a snare with a lot of low end for body and punch. Ill aggressively EQ (to the point of completely taking out the upper mids and high end) edit the release(s), adjust velocity curves (so the low end and mid gives body to the high velocity hits (like you would get from a real life snare)) and edit both layers so they sit perfectly inside of each other. Also do another one for the mids if needed. Takes a bloody long time to get it right and is a lot of work but it just gives more control for what im going for, when compared to just taking one snare and EQing, compressing and adding transient effects to taste.

although, I can get away with the snare and kick layers not being spot on the same note (especially after taking off the release). Doesn’t seem to be the case for the toms…

Now my toms just sound and feel really weak, hence the post. Granted I did say cymbals , but I dont really expect that would work; other than maybe adding a underlining washy crash/ride to the bow of the ride. Just so I can get ping and wash as I find the bow of most rides to be to dry and pingy.

Any ideas? I’m even thinking of buying a handheld tuning device and just playing the sound out my speaker.. haha

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