[P3tari]

Thanks for replying.

I guess looking at the velocities of a live drummer would be the best way to assess what is typical. Unfortunately, I only have EZD2. I was using EZD3 at a friend’s house, so I don’t have access to the midi files I was working with yesterday. I’ll try to get some links for us to look at.

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• This post was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by P3tari.

[P3tari]

So I still don’t really have an answer to this question. Which is totally absurd. It’s a simple question. No one seems to have an answer.

But I did come across a sentence in the manual that mentioned “no bus fx”. It literally just says that these presets are optimized for multichannel outputs and will allow us to process the drums in our DAW.

wtf?

Honestly, this is just more frustrating. There doesn’t seem to be an actual difference. The drums are processed the same whether we choose “no bus fx”. I am starting to suspect that this was actually not implemented the way it was supposed to be. I really do think that these presets are supposed to give us dry audio samples. So for pop punk ezx, that means the drums wouldn’t be overcompressed to all hell and there wouldn’t be any reverb on the snare (or toms).

We actually do get the dry audio. the compression and reverb effects do not show up on the individual channels. Rather, all of the compression gets summed up in the compression channel, and all of the reverb goes to a reverb channel. So essentially, compression and reverb are not applied as bus fx. Instead, they are fx sends. A few things about that…

well yeah. why would anyone ever want their drum reverb in any other way? this shit is always mixed in as a send effect. And  compression send is the same as using parallel compression.

….wtf? Why are they presenting this as  a “feature”? This is what almost anyone would just do with drum processing anyways.

And if you don’t want these fx, it’s as easy as not routing those channels out to your daw. Or, what I do, you can route these fx out to  channels in your DAW and simply mute those channels. You can also adjust the level of those fx by quickly adjusting the faders in your DAW. So that’s kind of cool. BUT THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER PRESETS. We get the same exact thing, either way, just as long as we use multichannel outputs and route the audio to separate channels in our DAW.

In conclusion, there is functionally no difference between these presets. Including “no bus fx” presets is literally just redundant if you have to go through the mixer in the plugin and route the channels out anyways.  I can only assume that this was not what was intended, and someone made a mistake, but toontrack does not care to address this in any way. That’d be fine- this is not a huge issue. nothing is actually “broken”. It’s just stupid. That’s all.

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[P3tari]

Would love to have an answer about this. Been using pop punk ezx for over a year, and I have no clue what the difference is. While using SD3. I noticed a small difference, sort of. If you do not choose “no bus fx”, then there is a slight change to the output section inside of the SD3 mixer. Without “no bus fx”, you will find an effect called “black box” on trhe first channel. I am really not sure, as there is no great explanation offered anywhere I can find, but I think “black box” has to do with fx that are available in EZ Drummer, but not in SD3. I think. Anyways, regardless of your choice, even with the black box insert there, it makes no difference to the way it is being processed.

I just tried to test something out, and it crashed my DAW. My DAW hasn’t crashed in like 8 months. So I guess I won’t try to figure out what these features are for this very expensive but very great sounding software.

• This post was modified 4 years, 1 month ago by P3tari.

[P3tari]

There are preset midi maps for dozens of kits. Chances are, you’ll be fine. What kind of kit were you planning on using?

[P3tari]

I used ez drummer 2 for quite a while and it served me well. If you can be happy with the presets on ez drummer 2 you’ll be fine. You do have some freedom to change the tonal qualities a bit (you control over the level of bleed, compression, reverb, etc..) among the 16 channels available in the mixer. Superior drummer has 32 channels available. , and you can customize your drumset a bit.

Superior drummer has 32 channels. You have the option to set up the mics however you choose. You can even deal with each channel separately when fiddling with compression. You can mix and match any drums or cymbals from any EZX or SDX that you own. You can create your own midi map. With EZ Drummer, I was just using a drum trigger and I would create the beats pretty much just by playing my electronic kit connected to Reaper. Superior Drummer’s tracker feature makes it easy to create and edit drum tracks within the plugin itself.

But that price tag….

I used EZ Drummer for about 6 months because it is more affordable and it is one of the better drum VSTs out there. Go ahead and get it. Superior Drummer costs a lot more, but you can upgrade if you feel like you want more control over the way your drums sound and/or your looking for a more practical way to create midi tracks.

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