[ohnow]

I believe each snare can be a different note.  For example, I don’t think they made all snares tuned to C.  What I’ve done is use Variaudio (auto-tune) in Cubase to analyze the snare for the whole song.  I look for what the dominant note is.  If I can’t find one, I add verb to lengthen the notes and try again.  At the end of the day though, as the saying goes, if it sounds right, it is right, no matter the note Cubase shows.

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[ohnow]

I totally agree.  Since we have the capability to tune them in SD3, why not offer them as pre-tuned?  It’s probably because it would take time and time cost money.

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[ohnow]

Thank u for the reply. I’m not looking for electronic sounding drums. I did the VariAudio as a tool to determine the pitch and pitch changes. Respectfully, I disagree that drums aren’t tonal & can’t be tuned although I know there’s debate about that online. The smaller the drum, tighter the head, and softer u hit, the more the tone is clear and constant. Even the kik example, tuned to C0, in the pics I attached you can see the C0 is the dominant pitch, and the other overtones are also shown

In tuning physical drums, a drummer can tune the top and bottom heads to the same pitch, or make one higher or lower to have the sound decay up or down. If you don’t tune them correctly, especially on smaller, higher pitched toms, there’s major dissonance.

Terry Bozio is a great example of tuning drums if you consider the small toms he uses. Even steel drums are tuned to notes. Snare drum heads are typically very tight and it’s very common to tune them to notes since they are probably the most dominant drum people hear and their pitch is relatively high.

I think we’re almost saying the same thing, that drums are multi-tonal, there is a dominant tone and they can’t be tuned perfectly unless done with a computer. And, the more you computer tune, the more they will sound electronic and fake.

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[ohnow]

Hi John,

I’ve tried removing and re-adding the instrument and nothing changed.  Since the Bob R kit works when I bring it up and it uses the 20″ Masterworks Sehhar China, I tried adding that instrument but still there was no crash option.

In the SD3 program, in the picture I attached of the MIDI settings, notes 52, 110 and 111 are all labeled Bow Shank.  The MIDI map from the help menu shows note 52 as cymbal 5 crashed; note 110 is Alias and note 111 matches as Bow Shank.  Listening to MIDI notes 52 & 111, they sound the same to me as Bow Shanks.

I listened to all other cymbal 5 MIDI notes and none were a crash.

Also, SD3 shows notes 54 & 107 as the muted hits but the MIDI help file shows 107 as alias and 54 as the muted hit.

Am I reading these incorrectly or could the cymbal 5 MIDI notes, descriptions and samples be in error.

It’s also strange that trying to filter to cymbal 5 notes on the left side of the MIDI settings screen only has All or cymbals 1-4.  I’ve attached a picture of this.

Thanks again for the reply!

Reply To: SD3 Cymbal 5 Missing Crash Option? version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[ohnow]

Tx for the reply John!  When I open the Bob Rock Heavy kit I also get a crash option with the default crash.

I was originally using the 18″ Istanbul 30th Anniversary/20″ Meinl Byzance Heavy Stack crash.  BTW, choosing that crash showed a picture of a black electronic cymbal instead of the real picture you see when choosing new instruments.

I then tried to stack the 16″ Masterworks Jazz Crash.  Then I tried just the jazz crash.  I’ve attached pics showing the crash option on the drum kit screen but no crash option on the MIDI screen.

Not sure if this matters. . . cymbal 5 on my Roland TD-50 is using the Aux 4 port.  I’m using a MIDI preset I saved previously after I dialed in my snare and hats.

Reply To: SD3 Cymbal 5 Missing Crash Option? version: 3.1.4
Operating system: Windows 10

Win 10 Pro, Superior Drummer 3, Metal Foundry, Roland TD-50kv with xtra stuff 🙂 , Cubase Pro 11, Steinberg UR44 Interface, Akai MPK Mini III, Focal Shape 65 monitors

[Author]

Replies