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sonicviz wrote:

Ok boomer.

>>I doing was just attempting to help OP express what they were talking about and you seem to just want to be the one who’s “right”.

That’s disingenuous to the max.
Multiple times I’ve stated the approach to resolving this is via a sound engineering process to isolate and “debug” the perceived issue.

That’s how you get companies to listen, not screaming “THIS SOUND IS ISHT A CATASTROPHE IT MUST BE RERECORDED” without providing any evidence beyond your subjective internet opinion.

You’re pretty much on the same level as the OP.

 

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You’re actually a boomer and apparently one of those “has to get the last word in” kinda person too huh? *rolls eyes*

Grow the f up, you might as well have told OP to just screw off and deal with it. But instead you wanted to get into a whole nonsensical conversation instead of offering anything of value.

EDIT: Plus you seem to think I have a problem with the software and dislike it when its the complete opposite, I enjoy the heck out of the product.

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sonicviz wrote:

nawai wrote:

Alright, if you want to go with, “It’s a feature, not a bug” and “I hear it as a characteristic of the sound design.” then we’re just at an impasse and there’s really no point in continuing the conversation. You seem to have just wanted to be passive aggressive about everything for really no reason.

Don’t twist words.

What I actually said was “The fact you mention you’ve heard it in EZKeys 1 makes me think it’s more a TT “feature” than a bug.”

Accuse me of being passive aggressive while you twist words and act like the victim?

You and the OP make the perfect couple. The Hyperbole Twins. Start a band.

Bye!

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I was paraphrasing and didn’t “twist” your words. I am hardly playing a victim because I was never victim in the first place in any of this conversation because all I doing was just attempting to help OP express what they were talking about and you seem to just want to be the one who’s “right”.

Bye, in fact don’t take care. You’re a pain to talk to and of no help whatsoever.

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Brad wrote:

nawai wrote:

sonicviz wrote:

“Prove it”

https://soundcloud.com/justforyou-717762266/resonance

There you go mate, if you can’t hear it, you’ve probably just got some high register hearing loss because that shit is ear piercing, sure it’s sitting it the back, but it’s there.

Can’t believe I’m taking the time to make a point when all I was curious about was a solution, not about how you might have hearing loss.

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What EZK expansion and preset is this from?

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It’s the default preset.

Personally, sure it’s annoying (to me), but I’m not getting bent out of shape about it, I was only trying to show what OP was talking about. I guess attempting to speak on another persons behalf was just a bad move in general because now I seem to be the one getting flack for it lol.

The product is JUST GREAT for me because as I’ve said before I don’t really use it for the sounds as much as I use it for midi/chords etc and then 100% of the time chuck that into a different instrument.

Probably the last time I’ll bother trying to speak on another persons behalf though.

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sonicviz wrote:

nawai wrote:

https://soundcloud.com/justforyou-717762266/resonance There you go mate, if you can’t hear it, you’ve probably just got some high register hearing loss because that shit is ear piercing, sure it’s sitting it the back, but it’s there. Can’t believe I’m taking the time to make a point when all I was curious about was a solution, not about how you might have hearing loss.

I can hear the occasional “ringing” at high frequency in particular spots (it’s not constant), and it’s not ear piercing.

I also hear it very spatially localised in my right rear quadrant, if you were looking down on the head vertically.

I’ve done a lot of spatial audio R&D, so I’m quite focused on where sounds are coming from in addition to tone/timbre.

And yes, I’m older and high frequency attenuation is a fact there.

But I can hear it, but it’s not a big deal. I hear it as a characteristic of the sound design.

The fact you mention you’ve heard it in EZKeys 1 makes me think it’s more a TT “feature” than a bug.

Questions: Is it in every patch, in every instrument? In every situation.

You should also be able to isolate, or at least to some degree isolate, where it is in the spectrum with some of the tools available.

Also, if it was as ” shit is ear piercing” for EZKeys1 and the new EZKeys 2 than many many more people would be up in arms about it.

Instead, I see many many people saying “it’s great”. I don’t see “catastrophic” apart from this hyperbolic thread.

Maybe it’s because we’re all deaf, and you have perfect hearing.
Good for you! or maybe not, pitch perfect hearing can also be a pita I hear.

I’m quite serious, btw, in taking an engineering debugging approach to this.

If you really want to convince TT there is an issue, like any bug report you need to provide replicable use cases that really demonstrate the issue, and can be proven to be a real issue and not just a sound design feature.
Bugs don’t get fixed by users yelling “Your sound is isht” and leaving it at that.

I’ve only just started testing EZKeys2 myself, so will keep an ear out for this while I do my own tests and see what I find.

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Alright, if you want to go with, “It’s a feature, not a bug” and “I hear it as a characteristic of the sound design.” then we’re just at an impasse and there’s really no point in continuing the conversation. You seem to have just wanted to be passive aggressive about everything for really no reason.

Also, I used the word “annoying” and “ear piercing” not “catastrophic”. Plus, in my previous post I mentioned if you blend it with other instruments its barely if not completely unnoticeable, I was simply just trying to express and show what OP was talking about since you kept reiterating “show me an example” multiple times so I did for the OP and then when I did you decided to move the goal post.

But hey, agree to disagree, at the end of the day sound and music is 100% subjective for the most part and that’s why these tools are great because its a pain in the ass to work with other people with music because we’re all going to have opinions and similar conversations like we’re having now. But with that being said.

Take care.

(As for OP, yeah, just throw the midi/chords into a different Piano VST if you really want to use Piano in your compositions because you’re not going to get a solution asking here)

 

 

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[nawai]

sonicviz wrote:

“Prove it”

https://soundcloud.com/justforyou-717762266/resonance

There you go mate, if you can’t hear it, you’ve probably just got some high register hearing loss because that shit is ear piercing, sure it’s sitting it the back, but it’s there.

Can’t believe I’m taking the time to make a point when all I was curious about was a solution, not about how you might have hearing loss.

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sonicviz wrote:

>> I am not looking for an argument here nor trying to put Toontrack software on blast,

If you say it’s an issue with EZKEY1 it’s likely their sound design style.

>>Although I don’t know why you seem to be getting so defensive about it.

Not defensive. I’m saying back up your subjective hyperbole with real evidence. Should be simple enough.

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Alright give me a moment I’ll upload a short example.

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sonicviz wrote:

>>Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.

Need more actual evidence of this being replicable vs subjective opinion. Given you’ve noticed it in EZKeys1 (I haven’t, and it doesn’t bother me) this is either an intentional “feature” of TT sound design or even possibly a more localised phenomena related to individuals hearing. Unless you can isolate where it sits in the spectrum and point it out with some actual recordings backup up by spectral analysis that can be verified it remains as a subjective listening artifact.

>>So still best bet is to either hope someone comes with a reply for a “fix”

Not really. See point 1.

I’m open to being convinced, just show me actual scientific evidence, not opinion.

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Sir and or Ma’am. I am not looking for an argument here nor trying to put Toontrack software on blast, I enjoy the software. I was simply expressing that I had a similar experience to what OP was talking about and it’s all very inconsequential to me since I use it as a midi/chord generator. Still would be nice to get an answer other than “prove it” when apparently you can’t even hear it.

So if there’s a minority of people experiencing the same thing and you’re not experiencing it that’s great for you. Although I don’t know why you seem to be getting so defensive about it.

All the best though and I have no negative feelings about the conversation 

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[nawai]

To be honest, I’ve noticed that as well. But to me it sounds more like a high pitched hum if that’s what you’re talking about. I’ve experienced it with the first EZ keys and yes it’s annoying and off putting but after blending with other instruments it’s not as noticeable if not virtually unnoticeable although haven’t messed with EZ Keys 2 enough to really notice if it does that same thing.

Don’t really have an answer for a fix other than simply using EZ Keys 2 as a midi/chord generator and then throwing that midi onto another VST Instrument as you’ve already did.

Let me know if you’ve figured it out because when I tried to EQ it out (in Ez Keys 1) it’s really apparent around that 1000 Khz range but even bringing that down doesn’t seem to get rid of it.

So far the piano sounds great to me for EZ keys 2 but I’ve only spent about an hour with it. So still best bet is to either hope someone comes with a reply for a “fix” or you’re just going to have to treat it as a midi/chord generator and not use it as a main instrument.

Which was fine with me because that’s actually what I use EZ Keys 1 and 2 for in the first place.

Good luck!

EDIT: But yes it seems to happen with chords rather than singular notes. Also, if when you were talking about it being easy to get rid of those resonances. I’d be more than happy to hear how you did it because I couldn’t figure it out. I’m still pretty amateur at this whole thing honestly.

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chris matz wrote:

get it it's amazing,you will not be disappointed it rocks

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TREVOR TINBERG wrote:

Admittedly, I had trouble really using the last iteration of EZkeys, due to the older set-up that I wasn’t used to. But I did buy MIDI packs when they went on sale, despite whatever genre they were, in anticipation that it would be getting an upgrade at some point down the road.

After using this new iteration it for a few minutes, I can easily say that the prior purchases are entirely worth it. I’m going to be using this a lot more solely due to the fact it’s more like EZdrummer 3 and EZbass in its usability!

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Got it before the presale ended, pretty impressed with it so far for sure. Need to dig deeper but I am loving the playing styles and the HUGE amount of new features. Plus this new piano sounds amazing. It’s definitely an upgrade. I mean I only bought EZ Keys like a month ago and then they released this new version so essentially I’ve wasted about $45 bucks since I bought the EZ bundle originally (so I didn’t waste that much since I got it semi-cheaper) so wasn’t happy about that. BUT I tend to do that all the time anyway and that’s not Toontracks fault but am satisfied with this upgrade so it’s whatever.

Probably will get some of the midi packs when they go on sale since now it seems like I’d get more use out of them. Thanks for all the feedback though!

Wish you all the best in your productions 🙂

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