[keithwriter]

Andreas – I uploaded the project and some screen captures of the issue. I even tried “fooling” the app, by making a different instrument the Power Hand, thinking that maybe that’s what was overwriting my articulations. Same problem: if I save the project and close it, when I reopen it, the articulations are gone. Next I’m going to try cutting the groove into individual 16th-note segments, to see if that allows me to retain control. But that’s not a tenable workaround for the long term.

My DAW is the latest version of Reaper (64), but the problem happens in the standalone EZD3 as well.

Looking forward to resolving this – thanks for your help!

 

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[keithwriter]

John, THANK YOU!

That solves the issue, at least in EZDrummer. I used the 3/2x setting and it set the drum tempo at the correct setting to match the project. Yay!

However, I don’t see a similar option in EZKeys. It only offers half-time or double-time.

Any ideas for addressing this in EZKeys? Thanks for your help – it’s really appreciated!

[keithwriter]

No, I’m using the plugins. The issue is in how Toontrack is subdividing the bar. For example, if you use this groove:
EZDrummer 2 Modern-Vintage/Midtempo/Straight 6-8/Oldies Rock 106BPM/Verse/Variation 01

Playing it at its original tempo, it SAYS it is 106 bpm. But that tempo is based on groupings of two eighth notes. If you listen to the groove, to where the main kick and snare beats fall, they are happening every THREE notes. So to the listener, the actual tempo of the song is not 106; it’s more like 70.666 (2/3 of 106). I’ve tested this with a clicktrack, so I know I’m not hallucinating. 🙂

So any midi I write in other software, or any wav files generated by other instruments, would need to be set at 70.66 bpm, and in practice, are VERY difficult to synch with a Toontrack file set at 106.

If you’re basing your track entirely on Toontrack tools, and just recording live tracks for everything else, it’s no problem. But if you’re using other software that determines the tempo of 6/8 or 12/8 tracks in groupings of THREE eighth notes (which is the most common way it is usually phrased), it’s hard to get them to play nicely together.

So what I’m asking is: is there a way to take the groove in the example above, and convert how ToonTrack sees the tempo, basing it on three-note groupings instead of two-note groupings? This would mean that a 6/8 song with a tempo of 60bpm using 2-note groupings would display as a tempo of 40bpm using 3-note groupings.

I know, it’s a lot of confusing math, but I’m surprised this issue hasn’t come up before. Maybe I’m just articulating it badly, and searching on the wrong terms.

Thanks again.

[keithwriter]

Ooh – sign me up for that one, too! 🙂

[keithwriter]

UPDATE:

I found the grooves I was looking for – they are in the Soul Grooves MIDI pack. That’s a great pack, which I already owned.

Still, I’m very happy with the sounds in the Southern Soul EZX. I just think you could be both more generous with the MIDI grooves, and more accurate in how you represent the product. Thanks.

[keithwriter]

I would echo this request.

It would be great to be able to buy product-agnostic MIDI bundles, so that we could choose from the selection of MIDI packs for both EZ Drummer and EZ Keys!

[keithwriter]

Thanks, Henrik –

The problem with that workaround is that I tend to write on my laptop in Standalone mode, but the ProTools rig is on a different desktop computer. So I usually move files from one machine to the other on a USB drive or via email. Do you know of any workarounds for moving an EZKeys project between two computers, other than exporting to MIDI?

Thanks again for your help – much appreciated!

[keithwriter]

Excellent – thank you!

[keithwriter]

Thanks, Olle!

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