Kim Mossige
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Kim MossigeInteresting. What style of music are you doing as I don’t find the higher velocities unnatural. Most session drummers hit the backbeat hard. In fact most rimshot the backbeat as I do.
I play everything from Jezz Samba to metal. If I up the velocity on all of my pads it becomes unnatural because I don’t get to have soft hits. The way it’s tuned now feels much more natural because it feels I can have very soft ghost notes at the same time as I can hit hard. If I up the pad sensitivity, THEN it becomes like less dynamic range for me. Every subtle hits feels very loud etc.
Kim MossigeThank you everyone! I will use this workaround, although it don’t work when having to select stacking samples or scrolling through midi grooves.. I will have to try and figure out a hotkey way to temporarily bring down my drum bus volume.. this is very annoying though.
By the way, what did you mean that 127 should be sometimes hit? Limiting my dynamic range? I think it sounds wildly unnatural when hitting 127. Absolutely all of the midi grooves I buy sounds unnatural. Only when I ever play manually on my kit, does it sound natural. If I am unlucky enough to hit above 100, I bring it down to about 95. So this peaked my interests in why anyone will increase the velocity on their hits?
Kim MossigeYes, but the confusing part is that the ride was always – from day one – making the exact same velocity output as the other cymbals. So it was not a key giveaway that it had to further be tweaked on the sound module itself. It was first when I started messing with a few small tweaks like sensitivity and having an exponential curve that the real ride-feeling was being transferred to SD3, to be felt like I’m used with real drums.
Kim MossigeGot it, tall makes sense, it did from the first reply. I just didn’t get the insane difference, but in the past days I’ve come to the conclusion that it might be a bad td27kv2 profile. Adjusting a lot of the onboard settings on the sound module itself seemed to mitigate the insane volume differences I’ve had, a difference that was way more prominent through sd3 than the local control sounds, for some reason
Kim MossigeIn real life scenario we’d do proper gains staging before tracking to make it somewhat levelled during tracking, so no, this is not natural
Kim MossigeRight, i feel exactly the same. The gain is very different, im sure they recorded it well, but wasn’t properly balanced when releasing the software
Kim MossigeAside from the fact that rides are perceivably lower in volume than crashes, you also listed the three libraries in which everything is recorded unprocessed.
It is not wildly unbalanced. It is recorded as natural as possible with all of the transients in place. This is what drum mixing is all about: getting everything in balance.
jord
Thank you, so nothing wrong in other words? when recording real drums, the drummer can hear it much better than when recording with these sd3 libraries.
Some tips om how to properly hear everything and balance volume early in the production? I feel the volume difference is so big that it really don’t translate of how I hear a real drum kit when playing on real drums. A 16db perceived loudness difference is quite big.
Btw what do you mean by the sounds not being processed? They’re eq-ed, saturated and compressed on the channels by default on all presets, all as the processed button is ticked on each pad
Kim MossigeThank you so much! That solved everything for me!
Extra thanks for being so thorough in your answer!
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Thanked by: JohnKim MossigeIt’s because I need a seperate mic channel routing for the sub-kick. If i layer it, it will use the same channel as the kick, and i will not be able to mix it seperately.
And when i record, i want both to react to my physical pedal
Kim MossigeI always look at things like this more by the producers of that era, along with their studio spaces. When I’m doing something with more of a tight 70s feel, I would tend to lean closer to libraries like Stories and State of the Art as their recording techniques better match the song I’m working with.
Once you find the kit, it would then be a matter of mixing in the right ambient channels.
jord
Thank you! Fantastic! Those kit sounds absolutely killer! Gotta put it on my wishlist
Kim MossigeThere is no reason it should be different in your DAW. I use mine standalone and in Cubase and there is no difference. So if you use the exact same preset in standalone and your DAW it is quieter in the DAW? If so you have answered your own question where the problem lies.
I haven’t answered my own question, because it’s more quiet in cubase than on standalone. They’re equally volumed, but sounds way quieter.
Kim MossigeHi keem85,
where are you editing your velocity curves?
You should be doing it on the MIDI In/E-drums page where you edit the MIDI Preset.
If needed, you can select more than one articulation/cymbal at once and edit the curve for all selected.
When done, save your edits as a new MIDI Preset.BR,
John
I edited the curves on the front page. I will check the settings page and see if that helps
Kim MossigeI tried editing the velocity curve, but it doesn’t do anything. I hit really hard on my drumkit, as hard as I can, still the sound output is really really low.
it works fine in SD3 standalone, but not in DAW. Any more ideas?
Kim MossigeAhh yes ofcourse, why didn’t I think of that! By the way, won’t this affect the midi already imprinted on the daw sequence? If I start editing the curve, will my already recorded midi start to play harder?
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