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GLMOh Dear Mr. Chilcott, please, calm down. You react to my reply like if you feel offended. I didn’t wanted to offend anyone nor do I stated or meant some of the things in the way you partly interpreted them or how you counter argue on them. And there is no reason to become rude or offensive from your side or put somebody personally in doubt. That’s not a well made nor kind of discussing things. It does cost too much time and energy for both of us and has – like often in message boards – finally nothing to do with the OT no more when it goes on. I could chime in here and there again where you took my words wrong or did not catched my considerations the right way and can point to your and mine biased opinions. But it becomes more and more unhealthy in the way the personal statements go and it doesn’t matter for you nor for me.
Since my basic attitude is that “I know nothing and I can learn on every day, no matter how long I am on earth” I am not willing to put energy to convince anyone here from the opposite nor from any things in doubt nor will I count parts of my studer or whatever to show off that I know how tape and tape machines are build. You _can_ take my words the right way or not. If you ask me, that is actually far more kindergarten. But does not let us start again on this. All I know is why I sad what I sad and from where it came from, reasonably. Oh and by the way (side note): I am not a native tongue, so in case I mix words up like simulation or emulation, etc. in a rush, so please consider that we discuss in a language barrier where we talk in YOUR language, not in mine. Not to mention my sleepover for days. So I will opt out here and hope you are well. Finally, all the best —
GLMWell, sorry to say that, but I can’t agree less. Just to pick 1,2 topics you hit. First of all the complain about the “tape saturation” plugin. Well, they are all very different in the way how they try to achieve a certain distortion which hasn’t more or less, most likely nothing to do with real tape saturation but with a certain harmonic and dynamic distortion you can agree with or not. All depends on your needs. Especially for drums the one in SD3 can be useful, even if very different to other 3rd party ones, depending on what you look for. All these tools have their “names” but finally you have to use your ears to find the proper tool for the proper job. So the same for “tape saturation” simulation plugins and for any other plugin simulating a certain piece of gear. On the end all is a simulation.
Apart from that special plugin there is this one thing about all audio plugins I often teach in my classes to stop that hype and confusion regarding the millions of plugin manufacturers out there. And I know what I am talking about since we developed our own plugins for our studios. On the end there is no “magic” behind. It’s all computer code and a question of the flavour you want or need. And rarely an overfhyped expensive plugin simulating a certain gear wasn’t able to be reproduced with on board plugins from DAWs or elsewhere. Therefor I run a regular bet on school with my students and they have to blind test every overhyped plugin they bring me, which I reproduce for them with simple default mixing plugins. I remember how they all have been so impressed by the MAAG simulation until I showed them what it actually and simply does. And most of a professional mixing job you can do with in board plugins of a professional DAW. No extra tools needed. And from what I know the developers of the audio plugins in the SD3 mixer have well kown and good quality reputation as plugin developers. So maybe you have used the plugins not in the proper way. As most of the time: the issue is not the DAW, not the plugin, nor the computer. Mostly it is the one in front of all that.
Next topic you touched regarding mixing: all top level DAWs have that routing and saving features you mentioned. In Pro Tools – which I/we use in all our studios in Europe since it is the industry standard to cooperate with other studios – you can save your track or session templates in any way you want. All the possibilities in that way should be known by a professional, but they should be used with wisdom and for the right moment. As a one man show – like you maybe work – it is fine to do it like you do it, but for bigger productions it is not always the best way. A personal and very individual routing can become a mess in a cooperation work flow easely. And my recommendation was not exclusive regarding in board mixing. It was one of many ways, where I tried to show off some considerations to make, but only for certain goals, like mentioned.
Last but not least what you sad about choosing the right drums. It is funny that many drummers and drum mixing enginers exactly say the opposite from yours: That it mostly doesn’t matter that much which drums or manufacturer you choose but how you use them, how you play them and finally mix them to achieve a certain sound. And after over 30 years studio experience I more than tend to agree. Even if I definitely have my favourites. Especially regarding the weight of cymbals and snares in combination with the base drum. But on the end, I am sure, I would be able to tweak any set to the goal. Not to be misunderstood (again). Of course they do sound different. But the options which have been established by Drum tools like BFD and SD3 do make the users of that tools tend to think it is all about choosing between 8 sets to come close to what they want. The truth is in fact rarely – and even very big – studios have 8 sets or more to choose from. And often drummers bring their own sets they prefer to play. And on the end the tweaks, play and mix have to bring it to the wanted direction. Especially a well made choice regarding the chaining with mixing tools and the “shaping” of the drums.
GLMLate to an old thread but would like to add some consideration in general on this: If you want to keep it “in a box” sounding which can be helpful for using different DAWs here and there or to make it sound more melted as a complete set you can go with mixing in SD3 for official productions from my experience with no worries. From what I heard the plugins are top for its purpose and even do better for SD3 samples than many other plugins outside SD3, since they have been made for this. I found it more convincing when I tried to simulate a certain drum type of sound inside SD3 than by tackling around with million other plugins outside SD3. Maybe because of the “in the box” thing which is similar to how drums have been regularely recorded often in history (one session, one room, one mic setup to finally put the drum recordings into the song). DAWs tend to make multitrack instuments output in DAW mixer sound random or the single drum sounds “not connected to each other” since many plugins do not fit to each other by concept and overheads and such things can become complex in routing. But sure, there are top notch plugins out there which will always outperform default plugins inside of instruments. But to make them fit “in the box” will take more time and will always be a time consuming tackling which will be hard to reproduce as a template for the next set. For me trying inside will always be first and can always easy be loaded into other soungs. If it isn’t good enough I try to bring more into the DAW stage later then.
GLMHi John,
Oh! Thank you very very much for your quick reply. I feel kindof ashamed by my somewhat emotional start post now. Thanks for trying to help. Yes there is a ticket now because I found the support contact link sadly later. The font of the notice was very small stating that there is a contact form under each FAQ topic. Took me a while.
Yes, as you say: The products did not show up in the PM. That was what I have expected first. Then I tried to register them manually with now avail. Both, on the website and in the product manager. It was a little badly timed because I had a small window in the morning here to test them before another sessions started that was the reason for my disobedience at first place. But I would like to change the start post regarding the new experience I have with your help.
Many thanks, again, and Best Regards,
G.
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Thanked by: JohnGLMSecond post I found here asking for this. This here is even older than the other one from 2020. I am really a little bit confused now about the missing ability to correctly extend a drum set with named parts in such an expensive product usefully. Seriously?
GLMSame here. Would love to hear any info on this.
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