drumjack52
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drumjack52Nope. A piccolo doesn’t sound like that. You are obviously not a drummer.
Reply To: SD3 Darkness expansion, two snares in list swapped? version: 3.3.2
Operating system: Windows 11
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Ole Kirkeby.
Yes I am – it’s one of many instruments I play. And SD3 can do some unreal things with it’s samples that wouldn’t be possible in a real drum.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52One word: tuning
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52I ran into the same thing as you – tried some of the presets and internal plugins in SD3 and they just don’t measure up to what I have available as external plugins like from Brainworx/Plugin Alliance, Fabfilter or other developers. Yeah some of the presets sound sorta ok but the individual plugins – nope. Take the internal 1176 emulation – acts like no other 1176 emu I have. The advantage I have is I don’t use the internal mixer as such but output each kit piece as individual tracks treating SD3 like I would a real physical drum kit. I might group the toms together on one channel and output that to my daw (PT) but that’s about it.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Ok professor.
The bandwidth is obviously a factor.
However , that is not the issue here.
The same bandwidth in question performed perfectly before the update.Ive been working with digital audio since the mid 90’s when we need scsi drives terminated and 100 mb drives were a luxury. I know a bad design when I run into it. My external Tb3 drives are more than fast enough.
As far as my post sounding like I know everything , sorry if I came off as arrogant. I do know quite a bit about digital audio production. I’m sorry if I’m working at a higher level than most users. This is not a hobby for me.
I love SD3 , it is one of the finest pieces of software I’ve ever used. I wish you would slow down and think about the realities of this issue. I know when I say “bug” it’s hyperbole , that’s on purpose.
The main issue I have with your response is that you are trying to diminish the importance of an issue that has presented itself. The 3 people I work with closely who use SD3, on 3 different rigs, all agree that the splash screen sucks.
You need to trust this is not coming form a place of lazy annoyance.
This is coming from a place of advanced professional audio production knowledge and experience.Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by patrick maguire.
Trying to argue with Bear-Faced Cow based on logic is a losing proposition. He’s been like that for decades and on other forums. He never admits he’s wrong or that there might be another piece of the puzzle to look at. He refuses to see that a system that worked perfectly before is having an issue with the last update. Near as I can figure out Toontrack did not change the specs for the program as regards operating system or hardware.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)That’s about the silliest thing you’ve ever said and I’ve caught you in many of them over the years! Man that gave me a good laugh!
You’re also proving just as you did then that when you don’t have a point, resort to a little trolling tactics.
I already told you, my system specs, perhaps with the exception of the addition of two 2TB SSD drives, haven’t changed and the logo is only 3 secs on my unit.
jord
- The post has been modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow"> 2 times, last modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.
You have NEVER posted your whole system specs here in this thread.
Anyway – bye Felicia!
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Ok professor.
The bandwidth is obviously a factor.
However , that is not the issue here.
The same bandwidth in question performed perfectly before the update.Ive been working with digital audio since the mid 90’s when we need scsi drives terminated and 100 mb drives were a luxury. I know a bad design when I run into it. My external Tb3 drives are more than fast enough.
As far as my post sounding like I know everything , sorry if I came off as arrogant. I do know quite a bit about digital audio production. I’m sorry if I’m working at a higher level than most users. This is not a hobby for me.
I love SD3 , it is one of the finest pieces of software I’ve ever used. I wish you would slow down and think about the realities of this issue. I know when I say “bug” it’s hyperbole , that’s on purpose.
The main issue I have with your response is that you are trying to diminish the importance of an issue that has presented itself. The 3 people I work with closely who use SD3, on 3 different rigs, all agree that the splash screen sucks.
You need to trust this is not coming form a place of lazy annoyance.
This is coming from a place of advanced professional audio production knowledge and experience.Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by patrick maguire.
Trying to argue with Bear-Faced Cow based on logic is a losing proposition. He’s been like that for decades and on other forums. He never admits he’s wrong or that there might be another piece of the puzzle to look at. He refuses to see that a system that worked perfectly before is having an issue with the last update. Near as I can figure out Toontrack did not change the specs for the program as regards operating system or hardware.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52There seems to be some confusion about who’s replying to who.
This forum is not clear with the wording on the email notifications.
You got that right. This forum doesn’t have the best software whether here on the net or email replies. There’s no possibility of sending a PM, no ‘ignore’ feature, no ‘check post before you post it’ and when you quote someone you don’t see what said quote is. Near as I can see there’s no place to lodge a complaint about the forum s/w.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52I never said I know everything. However, you have proven that I know more than you in this case. So please, keep going because I am enjoying this a lot more than you are.
Considering the load times that I am experiencing, how do computer specs matter in this case? Perhaps, for shits and giggles I can hook up my 10 year old MacBook Pro to my RAID system to see what kind of performance I get from the logo. I might get a second or two longer but that may be inherently understandable.
jord
Your posts over the years have made it seem like you think you know everything and other people don’t know squat.
Why are you so allergic to posting your system specs and setup? That would help put into context what you’re seeing versus what others are seeing. Until you do then your comments mean nothing. Specs mean a lot in this case.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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Thanked by: ElMojodrumjack52You may not have selected the preference option to load all sounds at launch. You may have it set to just open and then load samples when they are triggered. Which I may go back to considering this new bug.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by patrick maguire.
Sorry, not so!
Logo appears for 3 seconds on my trashcan and another 7 seconds fully loading a 10GB preset.
Your system needs optimization.
jord
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.
What’s the specs on your trashcan? NVME ssd or standard ssd? Being there’s no internal drives that can be added how is your sample drive connected? All that makes a hell of a difference. The simple fact is with the logo thing loading times until usable are now longer than they were before. It’s not so much the computer but Toontrack’s fault when everything else on one’s computer runs just fine but SD3 becomes slower.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)Not that I was talking to you before Jack, but seeing as you decided to jump in…
Let me start by telling you that audio production is not like running any other data on your computer. I’ve said this for many years on forums with people complaining about bandwidth issues, including but not limited to CoreAudio. However, there is a grain of truth in your stating that it matters how an SSD drive is hooked up, or should I say SSD DRIVES. Not to mention, HOW they are hooked up and in what configuration to best support audio production. The only reason you ask the specs of the trashcan is because you know very well that it is slower in CPU speed than your Mac Studio. Considering that SD3 needs to get its GUI in place, this includes loading whatever resources from a drive. That is not dependent on CPU speed but on drive traffic, and if it is such a Toontrack Issue, then please explain to me how I am only getting three seconds of logo, which I consider pretty much inconsequential when I am already loading 10 GB worth of drums? Not to mention that I don’t think that I am the only one experiencing a faster logo appearance.
The simple fact is that if it only 3 secs on my machine, then it is a USER problem and not a Toontrack one. All you’re doing is proving to me that you haven’t learned the difference between speed and bandwidth in all these years, which is rather ironic since BFD was a bandwidth resource hog.
jord
I don’t have a Mac Studio – that’s another person here. Get your stuff straight. And you still won’t post your system specs. Until you do your numbers mean anything. At best assuming you have the highest speed cpu in your trashcan it’s maybe 15% faster than the 3.46 GHz hex core in my 2012 cheesegrater. At the risk of repeating myself it’s not the computer or user that is the issue when things were ok before – it’s Toontrack.
Face it – you don’t know everything even though you think you do.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52ok buddy, i get it, your one of those guys. If your looking for debate , im not interested.
I know my system, the update added a splash screen that created a longer lag. Its just that simple. Why do people insist on disagreeing with people simply because they dont have the same issue.
“When you learn the difference between speed and bandwidth, you’ll understand how audio production works” …wtf is that? so not on target and has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Go away from this thread if its not an issue for you.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)You last statement obviously proves you don’t know your system, especially in relation to what it takes to do audio production. There is an obvious reason why I don’t have this issue. By the same token why do people like you who do have an issue all of a sudden scream that it is a bug?
I’ve done this for far many years and have seen your type complaining bandwidth related issues on computers with blazing fast CPUs.
jord
What you don’t get and never will is people had perfectly running systems BEFORE the last update and with the current one they’re having problems. To me that puts the onus on Toontrack to step up to the plate and fix it. The system hasn’t changed. Bandwidth per se has NOTHING to do with the problem at hand. The systems have the same bandwidth as before. They functioned perfectly before. If they had/have system problems they would have seen it with other software.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52You may not have selected the preference option to load all sounds at launch. You may have it set to just open and then load samples when they are triggered. Which I may go back to considering this new bug.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by patrick maguire.
Sorry, not so!
Logo appears for 3 seconds on my trashcan and another 7 seconds fully loading a 10GB preset.
Your system needs optimization.
jord
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by Bear-Faced Cow.
What’s the specs on your trashcan? NVME ssd or standard ssd? Being there’s no internal drives that can be added how is your sample drive connected? All that makes a hell of a difference. The simple fact is with the logo thing loading times until usable are now longer than they were before. It’s not so much the computer but Toontrack’s fault when everything else on one’s computer runs just fine but SD3 becomes slower.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52You may not have selected the preference option to load all sounds at launch. You may have it set to just open and then load samples when they are triggered. Which I may go back to considering this new bug.
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
- This post was modified 3 years, 2 months ago by patrick maguire.
That might be it. I have my all my samples on an internal ssd that’s separate from everything else and it takes almost 10 seconds for the nag screen to go away.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52If you’re talking about OSX’s audio/MIDI setup you can find it in
Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI setup
Reply To: Audio/MIDI Setup not in settings. Where do I find it? version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)I was talking about within Superior Drummer Standalone or when I put it into my DAW. When I’m looking at the Superior Drummer program, I click Settings, the option for “AUDIO/MIDI SETUP” isn’t an option. If I open the Superior Drummer standalone program, it has the AUDIO/MIDI SETUP but says there is no MIDI device detected. I have the updated driver for Monterey but it still isn’t showing up.
My Mac only has USB-C plugins but I’m using a USB hub to run the USB-B to the USB-C hub. No luck.
You won’t see an option for audio MIDI setup in SD when it’s in your daw because the daw is handling these things. The usual thing I tell people when they have MIDI problems is to download the free snoize MIDI monitor utility program. See here: https://www.snoize.com/ It runs outside your daw. It will help you to see what’s going on with your MIDI stream. For instance with your ekit connected hit a pad and see if snoize responds with a note value. You may have to make connections in OSX audio MIDI setup. I use a MIDI interface with 8 channels I/O and while my Mac sees the interface I have to make connections from each MIDI device to the interface.
Is your USB hub self-powered or does it use a wall wart? Make sure the hub is plugged in and powered on before starting your computer. And don’t forget to select the proper MIDI preset in SD’s MIDI in/edrums page.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52If you’re talking about OSX’s audio/MIDI setup you can find it in
Applications/Utilities/Audio MIDI setup
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Wrong. It DOES add extra time to the work flow. Its terrible. THis is a “fast workflow” issue that some will not understand. The plug in take up to 10 seconds to get rid of the splash screen. During that time ( before the useless splash screen) I could select a window, see what drums are up, start browsing drums sets, MANY MANY other option that dont require the full sample loaded state. ITs adding precious seconds to a once quick mixing and creation operation. Get rid of it, its terrible!
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)The time from when the window appears until when you can do things in it has increased, sure, but now the window appears immediately. Before, when you asked the DAW to open the plug window, it took a long time for the window to appear (the same duration that the splash screen is visible now). So the total time from when you try to open the window until you can do things in it is the same. The splash goes away immediately when the real GUI is ready to be shown, it does not wait for the loading of the samples to finish.
I know you cite some supposed reasons for doing the logo thing but I have to agree with others that it’s annoying. Especially when you switch sessions. It’s a blatant advertising thing. I know of no other plugin that does this. Now to the stability thing that’s something I’ve not seen.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52So seven weeks on we still have no fix to the transport issues with SD3. I have heard it is not a issue with adding a stupid nag/splash screen. It is about how the start point for execution is not being stored correctly between subsequent plays. Does the splash screen go away yes it does. But the system is still screwed up. So what was the point of even asking that question? If it is just a problem with saving the current location of the next play point. It should have being an easy fix and we should now all be good and happy. But No! We have to wait for someone who missed the most obvious problem in the first place to get the splash screen and Cubase working so they don’t look bad. You do realise that your users are paying real money for your exercise in gross stupidity. Just fix this and we can all go back to mis-trust might be the issue here. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING AND DOING!
Reply To: Why! The logo. version: 3.3.2
Operating system: Windows 11
I still say what you think you are seeing is a problem with your own system. No one here has seen it. I’d suggest a clean install of everything of your system. Something weird is happening. The intro of the logo has nothing to do with anything.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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