drumjack52
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drumjack52It’s a 2015 Mac book. For Vocals recording , I use a Focusrite audio interface that I run it when I need it, In the current case – It is not connected.
Yes my drum module act as an interface, I don’t need an additional one. I am using this setup for years, I need to figure what is the change causing this for last 6 months. My USB cable is 10ft long, I have checked the drivers – It is updated with latest one. No, I am not losing the power to Roland. Only the audio interface abruptly disconnects and connecting back in few secs.
-D
A 2015 MacBook has USB 3.1 ports – don’t know if the Roland can deal with that. It also doesn’t have i5 processors. Or do you have a 2015 MacBook Pro (that has the i5 2.9 GHz cpu)? You really should use the Focusrite as your only audio interface. That it worked for years doesn’t mean anything. It may well be as I said that the Roland can’t handle being used as a drum brain AND an audio interface at the same time. There’s no need to stop using the Focusrite because you think you don’t need it. Stick with one audio interface (unless you know what you’re doing) and be done with it. Why complicate things? Swapping interfaces isn’t easy to make work right.
I’ve been at this audio game for a LONG time and it pays to follow the KISS paradigm.
Said it before and I’ll say it again your issue has NOTHING to do with using SD3. Grok that and you’ll be fine.
Jack
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now that’s a new one on me. I am still curious about how he would record a vocal.
Reply To: SD3 often disconnects with the audio interface version: 3.3.5
You can’t as there’s no inputs for external audio. The only XLR’s are for monitor outs. I think the audio they talk about is for recording the internal audio of the module.
Jack
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drumjack52So the path is this:
the DAW is connected to the internal audio card and then a USB cable to the drum pad controller.
no external hardware used as an audio interface.
if you want to record a vocal, how do you do this?Reply To: SD3 often disconnects with the audio interface version: 3.3.5
His Roland module can function as both a drum brain and an audio interface according to the Roland website. It’s unclear IF it can function as both at the same time.
Jack
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drumjack52Jack ,
I use Mac book pro , 2.9 GHZ i5, 16GB, 2 TB . The connection is direct between Mac and Roland 50X via USB 2.0 USB Type-A male to Type B male cable . No adaptors . The cable runs along the wall and intact, I mean – There is no way it is being disturbed by cat or me, No disruption . This happens abruptly, The audio device 50X is removed and sometime connects back again. hope the setup is clear now.
-D
From what I can gather you’re on a 2012 MBP. Shouldn’t have had to dig that out. Something that isn’t clear is are you using the Roland as your audio interface as well as for it’s drum brain? Maybe you should get a real audio interface. How long is the USB cable? Are you losing power to the Roland? Did you install the appropriate drivers for the Roland? Are the settings correct on it? It’s not clear but it may not function as both an audio interface and drum trigger for SD3 at the same time. Have you checked on the Roland site if your module and computer are compatible (found that possibility on page 43 of the manual).
Once again your problem is NOT related to SD3.
Jack
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drumjack52Read the damn message. “ the audio device is not available “.
it means that either the DAW has lost connection to the device or the device is off and therefore unavailable. The USB connection that is to your drums has nothing to do with this.The other thing that can affect this is sleep mode. Are the USB ports being put into sleep mode? The DAW that I use, shuts off all of these features on the Windows platform so that this cannot happen. do you have a power supply that feeds your audio device overheating.
Also, the number of USB connections has nothing to do with it. This is probably why I don’t use my Mac because it does not have enough connections. I have 28 devices connected via USB on my Windows machine. I had to actually add a card that would give me more USB devices and it all works fine.
Reply To: SD3 often disconnects with the audio interface version: 3.3.5
- This post was modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Ken Spence.
USB ports on a Mac don’t have the same issue your Windoze machine has. Windows by default sets the USB ports to turn off after a while and that is set in the operating system NOT in you daw. This happens even on a desktop and not just laptops. It’s supposed to save battery power but that’s not an issue on a desktop. You have to go into Windows Control Panel and turn off every power saving measure. This isn’t to say that the Mac itself can’t go into sleep mode, Depending on the exact audio interface the OP has if it’s bus powered it could be losing power there. If the OP is going through adapters or adapter cables that could be part of the problem.
Jack
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drumjack52Thanks for the response. Here is my setup, I have long USB cable that runs from my Roland to Mac, and couple of HDMI cables to two monitors(Displays)..I am sure the connection between Mac and Roland is intact , Are you guys saying is it because of so many connectors ? just wanted to be clear before I debug. Any suggestion to narrow down this issue, Much appreciated.
And @drumjack , to you question. This is happening always when the specific setup in use , I mean when I am playing my kit using Logic & SD3.
-D
Reply To: SD3 often disconnects with the audio interface version: 3.3.5
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What exact Mac do you have? What exact cables are you using along with any adapters? Or adapter cables? There may be a loss of connection integrity between the computer and ekit. Your description isn’t clear. In one posting you seem to say that the ekit is connected to the audio interface and in another direct to the computer. Of course this would be the MIDI connection. One way to debug the MIDI connection is to grab the free snoize utility which will help diagnose possible MIDI problems. Install it and fire it up in standalone mode and play your ekit. If everything is going correctly you should see messages on the computer screen of what’s coming through. There’s no way that SD3 is causing your problem. You have other gremlins in your system you need to suss out first.
Jack
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check your cabling and connections to your audio interface. I had a similar thing happening on a Windows platform and the USB cable was not fully seated. Therefore a loose connection would occur.
Reply To: SD3 often disconnects with the audio interface version: 3.3.5
It might not just be loose connections but being the OP is on a Mac there’s probably a bunch of adapters and/or cables involved which could mean compatibility between everything as well.
One thing that worries me is is this just happening when the specific setup is in use or at different times when running Logic and other vi’s/plugins? I would think if communications are being lost to the audio interface that it would happen at other times as well.
Jack
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Thanks for replying this is what i have
Macbook pro with Superior Drummer 3 and 2 additional toontrack expansion packs I’m using a Yamaha DTX M12 as my midi trigger controller using a usb to usb b connector I have connection from SD3 to the M12 meaning when i hit the pads on the M12 they are triggering the drums on the SD3 and i get sound coming out of the computer speakers on the M12 I have a 1/4” cord from mono out to the 1/4” input on my RCF Jmix 8 this is where i have an issue the sound should come from the SD3 back to the M12 and send sound to the RCF Jmix I get nothing coming out of my RCF? I’m loosing my mind and don’t know what I’m doing wrong I cant speak to anyone at toontrack which is even more upsetting.
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Ok so you are running SD3 as standalone in your computer right? You need a real audio interface to get audio out of your computer. The audio output on your computer is probably headphone level at best. It doesn’t have the capability to drive your JCF. Your description is very confusing. There are no speakers on the M12 – I know because I have one that I use as a trigger for SD3 running inside my daw which is ProTools 2021.6. The SD3 output is coming from your computer and NOT the DTXM12. Once again – get a real audio interface, connect it to your computer, install any driver software and configure SD3 as you need to – to do that PLEASE read the manual that comes with SD3 as I don’t know how to set it up in standalone mode and audio output. When you get that done connect a stereo (2 channel) line output from the interface and connect to a line input pair on the JCF.
Jack
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drumjack52Is the computer just hosting SD3? Does your external speaker system have it’s own audio amplifier? What kind of input is on that amp? Depending on what that input is take an audio output from your audio interface and connect it to your external system. Do NOT use an output from an onboard sound card as that won’t be anything you’d want the public to hear. One of your biggest problems is going to be the latency in audio output from when you hit a pad and the sound comes out of the speakers. You’d have to run a real low buffer setting on your interface to make it playable in time. The other big problem is getting the right levels between the audio interface and the external speaker system.
Jack
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drumjack52Thinking that you probably need to also reduce the hi-hat bleed in the right-side mics…
Also check the overhead mics
Jack
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Thanked by: Scott Eshlemandrumjack52John said:
“You can name your separate outputs in e.g. Pro Tools and even Rename the plug-in outputs on the separate Aux/Instrument Tracks, even though it’s only on the particular Track that name will be changed.”
Yes you can do that BUT you have to remember what you called that output in SD3. That requires either making notes about what’s what or keeping the SD3 gui open in a somewhat minimized fashion so you can do the renaming in your daw which in my case is PT. PT does make it a bit easier with the ability to set up track presets (I don’t use session templates). I have a track preset that contains SD3, all the aux tracks and audio tracks I need with third party plugins on each as needed and routing. It’s the creation from a fresh start that is an issue as well as those who don’t want to or know how to do track presets or templates in their daw.
Jack
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drumjack52drumjack52 wrote:
Why bounce in SD3? Why not just create a bunch of audio tracks in your daw and record the SD3 audio output there? That way you can name the tracks anything you want in your daw.
I’m confused. To my knowledge, there are two ways of bringing an SD3 file into a DAW. One is by dragging a midi file into a midi track. The other is by dragging an audio file into an audio track.
In the drumjack52 quote above it says, “Why not just create a bunch of audio tracks in your daw and record the SD3 audio output there?”
This is suggesting that there is another option which I don’t understand. How would you create a bunch of audio tracks in your daw and record the SD3 audio output there?
Please explain. Thanks!
Reply To: How to Create Unique File Names? version: 3.3.5
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It’s very simple. Set SD3 to use multi outputs in the mixer. Create a number of audio tracks in your daw – as many as output streams you have from SD3. Assign the input field of each of those audio tracks in your daw to the appropriate mixer track from Sd3. Your question suggests that you’re a newcomer to audio recording and a daw. That’s not a bad thing – it’s just that you have a lot to learn. What I’m describing is basic audio recording and it doesn’t matter the source and the destination. Actually it even gets more basic than that – think about bringing an external source into a mixer in a live show. In this case the external source is SD3 and the mixer is your daw. What daw are you using?
Again you’d be better off doing your MIDI work in your daw and have that feed MIDI into SD3. I do that all the time.
Jack
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drumjack52Ken S:
What do you mean by ‘return track’? I have the MIDI in my daw (ProTools) feeding SD3 and recording the individual outputs from the SD3 mixer in PT audio tracks. No bounce.
Mark King:
I too would like to see Toontrack’s reply on this. At least in PT the tracks can be whatever the developer calls the tracks. So it should be able to have the selections in the track input fields be whatever one names/renames the audio output in SD3. PT doesn’t have anything to do with the names that are displayed.
Jack
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drumjack52When I recently began participating in this discussion I was concerned that there was something I was not aware of regarding this process and needed to learn more about.
One of the things I learned was that the process of bouncing files from SD3 to the DAW could benefit from some simplification. For example, it would be very helpful if there was a location in the bounce window where one could enter a unique file name for the bounced audio file. That would help take some of the mystery out of this process.
The current automated file name process produces a file name that is of little help when importing the file into the DAW. Having a file name entry location in the bounce window would help clarify this step.
Another related issue would be retaining unique file names when dragging files from the User Midi window into the Song Track. So, if one created a unique file name in the User Midi window, it would be retained when dragged to the Song Track in preparation for bouncing. Then, ideally it would be retained in the bounce window as well.
I hope that these suggestions can be considered in the next SD3 update. It would sure help in the work flow. Thanks!
Reply To: How to Create Unique File Names? version: 3.3.5
Operating system: macOS Big Sur (11)
Why bounce in SD3? Why not just create a bunch of audio tracks in your daw and record the SD3 audio output there? That way you can name the tracks anything you want in your daw.
Jack
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drumjack52I use X-drums a lot and in some of my...I use X-drums a lot and in some of my user kits I have up to 15 of these as have 39 triggers on my e-kit. It is a bit of a pain in bleeds, mic routing etc when I can only see “instrument 1” as an example – much worse with 15 and often different instruments.
Can we get this feature added to be able to rename them to something more intuitive and meaningful please as it was mentioned some time ago. Thanks, Andrew
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Operating system: Windows 10I use X-drums a lot and in some of my user kits I have up to 15 of these as have 39 triggers on my e-kit. It is a bit of a pain in bleeds, mic routing etc when I can only see “instrument 1” as an example – much worse with 15 and often different instruments.
Can we get this feature added to be able to rename them to something more intuitive and meaningful please as it was mentioned some time ago. Thanks, Andrew
I suspect this thread is no longer being monitored and perhaps should be started again elsewhere, to draw attention to the issue.
- The post has been modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Lingua Franka
2 years, 11 months ago by Lingua Franka"> 3 times, last modified 2 years, 11 months ago by Lingua Franka.Reply To: Rename Added X-Drums version: 3.3.5
Operating system: Windows 10
One can rename the mixer channel from ‘x drum whatever’ to whatever you want. Can’t change the name in the grid editor though. Or the name in the kit view. Working in the latest revision of SD3. Strange they only went to a partial solution on changing names.
Jack
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