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[drumjack52]

I don’t get a ‘special OH’ channel when I create a tom/rack tom – just routing to the usual OH mixer channel in addition to the usual direct mic. Creating a china gives me a  mono OH and it’s own stereo OH channel. Tambourines give me a tambourine OH channel and the direct mic channel. To be frank I don’t mess with the pannings especially with the OH mics. Nor the direct mics for that matter. The panning orientation will change depending on whether you’re using drummer or audience perspective. I tend to mix from an audience perspective. Most producers will mix drums so that they’re in the middle of the sound field unless going for some kind of weird effect. And as I keep saying the OH mics are not meant to give spacial auditory cues – the meat of the sound should come from any direct mics IMO.

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[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

Thank you!

I’m getting closer to fixing my issue. I’ve added a tambourine that doesn’t have a real overhead signal. It’s always barely audible…I’d need to set the level to +12.

Yes, working without room etc. is easier. I used to have simple samples for kick, snare, toms, cymbals…one file…easy to mix, but thin sound.

Tambourines aren’t all that loud to begin with. If it’s to be a featured part the producer would probably designate a mic just for that. You’d do well to search YouTube videos on recording different things (like how to mic, etc.). Percussionists will often have their own mic setup. As always don’t judge something in solo mode but with all the other pieces playing.

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It can work depending on how the two modules are connected to the computer. I’ve never used USB MIDI but old school 5 pin MIDI (the round connector). Traditionally MIDI has three connectors – in/out/through. MIDI in is for receiving MIDI from somewheres, out for sending MIDI to somewheres and through is a passthrough that takes MIDI in and burps it right out to MIDI out with no interaction from the module in the middle. You would need to go from one module via it’s MIDI out to the MIDI through connector of module two and go from the MIDI out of module two to your computer. At least that’s how MIDI used to work. MIDI with multiple modules and daisy chaining isn’t always easy to grok and can drive one to drink. Thankfully you’re dealing with one manufacturer’s boxes – put multiple makes in the mix and oh boy…

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[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

Ok, I don’t understand the mixer…even the default kit and mixer is strange. The default Death & Darkness -> death mit has two splashes. They are about the same volume in their close mics, but the OH of the second one is 3DB louder. Why? Shouldn’t every splash have the same volume at x velocity?

If I use the same close mic, e.g. -16db as the default uses, the OH hits of the second splash are 3 DB louder…in order to have the same loudness for both splashes in the OH channel, I have to reduce the second splash in its close mic…but then the second splash’s close mic is some DB lower.

I am obsessive and want every china and crash to use the same volume for the same velocity….without 3db differences.

EDIT Maybe it is because I edit volume in the “Drums” section by adding the kit pieces, “level”?

• This post was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by LeanderL.

Your issue is you don’t understand the way a physical drum kit is mic’d. Specifically the overheads which as I said are meant to capture the whole kit. You’ll never get kit pieces to be the same levels in overheads – that’s something people who mic drum kits for a living have struggled with since recording began. The best one can hope for is a compromise for the wanted overall sound and some kit pieces will tend to be a bit louder than others. I’d suggest searching YouTube for drum micing tips/procedures to see what real world producers do. SD3 and it’s content is recorded by real world producers using techniques they use on a daily basis and each producer has their own method of working. Sure it can be manipulated to a certain extent but there’s certain things that can’t be changed like the panning of kit pieces in overhead mics simply because of what overheads are meant to do. It’s also why when you route a kit piece direct mic to a different mixer channel there is still sound in the overheads.

Of course you could always just not use the overheads mics and mute them.

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[drumjack52]

All you’re moving is the direct mic for the rides – there will always be signal in the overhead mics. That’s what overhead mics are for – to capture/get a general overview of the drum kit.

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[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

When you select a kit piece, you can assign it to a new mixer channel, e.g. “crashes”. Then you can move all crash cymbals there. However, they will disappear from the OH channel.

Please tell me how you are able to move the crashes to another mic channel? I’ve never been able to. Everything else in SD3 and SDX’s I can move the direct mics to another channel and they still stay in the overheads. It’s the crashes that I’ve never been able to do so. Historically there’s things you’ve come on here asking about that you’re not quite clear on what you want or how you’re supposedly doing things.

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[drumjack52]

I’ve never been able to group the crashes to a mic other than the overheads. No problem with all the other kit pieces and at least for the other cymbals there will still be signal to the overhead mics/channel if you also do a ‘custom’ routing of the direct mics to a mixer channel.

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[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

It’s just my virtual drummer. With a real drummer, I wouldn’t need Superior Drummer.

Mixer vs. grid editor seems to have problems. One shot 1 = sticks…then I added a second cowbell and now one shot 1 = the new cowbell.
In the mixer , sticks are sticks, but in the grid editor, the sticks are one shot 1. The new cowbell is one shot 3 in the grid editor.

Start a new thread for this other issue rather than add OT to this one.

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• This post was modified 1 month, 2 weeks ago by drumjack52.

[drumjack52]

LeanderL wrote:

I know that the order does not matter normally, but it does visually. I have a custom background and regard SD as my “band member”. 😀 When finishing songs, I have a video of the drummer playing…I like watching the hits and would like to reorder the xdrums or even better: They should have regular graphics similar to the kit so we can place them anywhere in the room to have e.g. 6 toms next to each other.

That drummer is he one of your human bandmates or a computer construct? Like I said as long as the right drums sound I’m happy. A lot of people have asked about what you want over the years and I have to think that it’s not possible or else it would have been done. I don’t know of another drum vi that does what you want.

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[drumjack52]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

The OH is the bleed channel. It will be routed to its own mixer channel. It is still the OH signal. It’s just in its own space to do whatever the OP wants with it.

jord

So you’re saying that the bleed is the same as overheads? That would mean adjusting the amount of bleed per kit piece would affect the overheads?

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[drumjack52]

Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Route the hat’s overhead mic’s to their own channel. You can adjust the panning there.

jord

But will that catch the bleed? That’s what he’s asking about.

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[drumjack52]

Not that I’m aware of. By definition overhead mics are there to cover the whole kit regardless of where you have the kit piece mics panned.

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LeanderL wrote:

Ok, thank you! I did remove them, removed both cowbells, but the first one always appears under the sticks and the second one at the bottom of the kit pieces.
Moreover, a conga is called instrument 7 although there already is a china with that name.

In what order did you reinsert them? The order that you wanted? Personally the order showing in the drum screen never mattered to me as long as they’re triggered by the right notes and going to the mixer channel I want them.

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[drumjack52]

As a DW fanatic I would LOVE to see this happen. There’s precious little DW drums in the SDX. I think the only one that has DW drums is Death and Darkness which I already have.

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• This post was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by drumjack52.

[drumjack52]

There could be different things causing the issue. Here’s a link to a duckduckgo search I did for you: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ftsa&q=error+1320&atb=v256-1&ia=web

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