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David Kennedy wrote:

Thanks heaps Jack.

No I’m not on dial up lol but it took that long and according to the forums, others had similar experiences. So no idea why it took that long.

I dont think i know enough to bus them out to individual tracks in PT. Also, i took my basic recordings to three studios and they kept saying there were ok as they were, so i dont know. Maybe they were just being polite.

I can email an MP3 if you like for you to listen to? let me know.

What bundles if any did SD3 come with? If i buy Foundries, I wont be doubling up will I?

Cheers

Dave

Reply To: Superior Drummer 3 Bundles help please….. version: 3.3.0
Operating system: Windows 10

Who is you ISP? I can’t conceive that it would take 5 days to do the SD3 and core library to download. As I remember it took me about 8 hours to do the whole download – I’m on Verizon FIOS. Are you by some chance on a wireless connection to your router? Or wireless internet instead of a hardline connection?

It’s easy to bus things out to separate tracks in PT. Set SD 3 to multichannel out and create as many tracks as you need in PT. Then in PT in the input field of the track select the SD3 track for the kit piece you want – kick for instance. The repeat for each additional kit piece. I’d suggest setting up a PT track preset that would contain the instrument track that holds SD3 and any requisite audio tracks for the number of kit pieces. That way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel as it were. I have a couple of PT track presets for certain SD3 SDX’s that take care of everything. One click and I end up with about 20 tracks all routed as I want. I’d suggest searching out some YouTube videos and spending some quality time over on the DUC (Pro Tools forum) asking questions.

As to the feedback you got from the studios I suggest they were being polite.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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David Kennedy wrote:

Thanks heaps Jack.

No I’m not on dial up lol but it took that long and according to the forums, others had similar experiences. So no idea why it took that long.

I dont think i know enough to bus them out to individual tracks in PT. Also, i took my basic recordings to three studios and they kept saying there were ok as they were, so i dont know. Maybe they were just being polite.

I can email an MP3 if you like for you to listen to? let me know.

What bundles if any did SD3 come with? If i buy Foundries, I wont be doubling up will I?

Cheers

Dave

Reply To: Superior Drummer 3 Bundles help please….. version: 3.3.0
Operating system: Windows 10

Who is you ISP? I can’t conceive that it would take 5 days to do the SD3 and core library to download. As I remember it took me about 8 hours to do the whole download – I’m on Verizon FIOS. Are you by some chance on a wireless connection to your router? Or wireless internet instead of a hardline connection?

It’s easy to bus things out to separate tracks in PT. Set SD 3 to multichannel out and create as many tracks as you need in PT. Then in PT in the input field of the track select the SD3 track for the kit piece you want – kick for instance. The repeat for each additional kit piece. I’d suggest setting up a PT track preset that would contain the instrument track that holds SD3 and any requisite audio tracks for the number of kit pieces. That way you don’t have to reinvent the wheel as it were. I have a couple of PT track presets for certain SD3 SDX’s that take care of everything. One click and I end up with about 20 tracks all routed as I want. I’d suggest searching out some YouTube videos and spending some quality time over on the DUC (Pro Tools forum) asking questions.

As to the feedback you got from the studios I suggest they were being polite.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

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[drumjack52]

With SD3 I use multiout and sent to individual tracks in ProTools. Kick drum to one track, snare to another, hihat to another, etc. I also tend not to use presets and/or effects that are in SD3 but what I have in PT. At that I use mainly third party plugins in PT although those can work as well especially if you’re trying to save a bit of money. Going to separate tracks in PT will allow for a better/easier mixing process. Something to keep in mind is that mixing and mastering are two completely different processes. Get your mix sounding right (however you define that term) and THEN have mastering done.

A great thing that will help here is your room setup. Have you done any basic acoustic treatments? How are your monitor speakers set up? Are you working with speakers or headphones? Getting a good sound recorded is one thing but don’t dismiss processing afterwards. Start with a good sound and everything afterwards will go easier.

Download speeds – 5 days to download SD3 and the core library? Are you on dialup or what? No modern internet connection should ever be that slow. Even AOL just dropped support for 56k dialup recently. If your home setup won’t go fast try and find a library or such that has public wifi and do the download there. On installation use the Toontrack product Manager and it will place the files in the right place.

Jack
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Area 33 1.0.0
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PT 2021.6
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Ontrack123 wrote:

Hi how do I check this?

Open the SD3 mixer page and check the routing at the bottom of the kit piece channel slider.

Jack
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[drumjack52]

Easy – check the SD3 mixer routing. Are you using stereo (2 channel) or multi-out for the mixer?

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
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[drumjack52]

Thanks all for the responses. I’d been watching this video for ages and wondered what it was all about. I’ll have to look at the core library to see what’s there. I’ve done a couple of covers of Fleetwood Mac pieces so something different might add a little spice if you will. I know that Mick doesn’t use it for the dvd they did in Boston so it might have been a one-off to match with the marching band stuff later on in the dvd. Roughly 7 years difference between the 2 gigs.

Jack
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PT 2021.6
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[drumjack52]

Jord: Look at 10:36 of this video and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s during ‘Everywhere’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suHkG7QfYw

I don’t have someplace I can put the screenshot so the forum can see it.

Jack
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Mark King wrote:

Thankfully I have a bodhran and can play it. I’ve used it a few times in songs. I use sd3 for drums as real drums in my house are just not practical. Percussion, although loud is nowhere near as loud as drums so I tend to play the actual instruments. Obviously no use if you don’t have the instrument and can’t play it if you did.

Definitely a need for multisample percussion. Tabla would also be useful. I have a set but they need re-skinning. I did have tabla on a Roland u220 expansion card 30 years ago which were actually quite good.

Saying all that I love SD3 for the drums which are by far the best.

I was surprised how loud a bodhran can get when played in a quiet setting. But yeah most hand percussion doesn’t get as loud as a full drum kit.

Jack
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Area 33 1.0.0
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PT 2021.6
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rrrural wrote:

I’d agree with you @drumjack52, but it works flawlessly – for hours on end – once I reload the plugin. It is enough RAM (this is Apple Silicon/Unified Memory after all).

There seems to be some issue with the way the project first loads, or the way the plugin loads a “resumed” state.

Unified memory doesn’t mean a thing – ram is still ram and 16 gig is still only 16 gig. Unified ram doesn’t get you any more ram no matter how fast it is. It doesn’t make 16 gig bigger.

Jack
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Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

16 gig isn’t nowheres near enough ram. There’s 2 things in life one can never have too much of – ram and money.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram

[drumjack52]

Sadly you’re going to have to look elsewheres for celtic drums and percussion. I would love to have a decent sounding bodhran but it’s not to be. Just sampling that ain’t gonna be easy due to capturing the different positions of how the hand that supports the drum is. That’s a huge part of bodhran drumming – I’d suggest taking a look at any of the Celtic Woman videos where Ray Fean does his thing. Skiffle might be easier but that doesn’t have that much of a distinctive drum sound as much as style of playing. Same thing with cajun.

Jack
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PT 2021.6
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[drumjack52]

You can’t flip the phase of each mic separately in the SD3 mixer?

Jack
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PT 2021.6
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[drumjack52]

The first thing to do is to watch the drums page in SD3 and see what hits show when you hit the kick and crash at the same time. That will tell you that the DM10 is sending the correct notes. If that doesn’t tell you anything then download the free MIDI utility snoize – run it and it will tell you what’s being sent from the brain. Of course there’s always the usual adjust the pad sensitivity and crosstalk on the DM10.

Jack
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PT 2021.6
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What exact version of Melodyne are you using? Why go through converting the audio to MIDI when you can just import the MIDI from your drum brain to PT and thence on to SD3?

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
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Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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Tom Conner wrote:

Re: 16 bit vs 24 bit sample depth – please point me to any recording that gets close to using 96dB of dynamic range. 96dB is a 636 times increase in intensity, since it’s 2X volume every 10dB. 🙂

Symphonic music can easily outrun 96dB of dynamic range. Like I said earlier – why handicap the sound with a lower bit rate? Better to have more range available than you need.

Jack
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Tom: what you are missing is headroom. You always want to have more than you think you need. You may not hear it but the difference is there.  You never want to get close to the limits of anything. Also keep in mind intersample peaks – slack off on the overhead (oversampling) and you’ll hear distortion. It’s like ram and money – you can never have too much of either. I’d rather be in the middle of things than try and live on the bleeding edge as you’ll get cut by it sooner or later.

Jack
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Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
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