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machine_74 wrote:

I’m familiar with the midi cable and I don’t have one going to the laptop, just the USB cable. I’m not 100% certain it’s a “high speed” USB cable.

Lose that cable; all you need is the MIDI cable going from the drum brain to your computer to trigger the kit pieces in SD3. Since you’re not sending any audio from the Roland to your computer you don’t need that USB cable.

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You need a real audio interface because as I’ve been saying a built-in/onboard interface will never give you satisfactory performance. And use proper drivers with that new interface. Until you do that you’re just spinning your wheels. When you say ‘quarter second delay’ you’re talking about the time between when you hit a pad and sound comes out? Do you have both the 5 pin MIDI connection and the USB port connected at the same time to the computer? If so lose the USB connection and just use the 5 pin MIDI connection to the computer. That way you’ll only have one MIDI stream going on.

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Mark King wrote:

drumjack52 wrote:

Mark King wrote:

Then it’s reporting the latency wrong as you certainly don’t get an echo/flam sound with 5.6ms. Are you saying you are using the td17 as an audio interface? I know the Roland drivers are not great for audio latency. I tested my td30 but had to drop the buffers to the lowest setting to get it acceptable. With my RME interface I can have the buffers much larger and get very low latency.

Sorry missed the 2nd page messages. If using the module as an audio interface then you can open the app from the control panel. It just has a slider that goes down to 32. As above though. 32 is the only acceptable setting in my opinion. Above that and I can feel the latency.

• This post was modified 11 months ago by Mark King.

Looking at the manual I don’t see how the brain acts as an audio interface for output from a connected computer. Maybe the TD30 is different in that regard.

Just checked the manual and it can send and receive audio over USB.

The wording is a bit ambiguous to me as to whether it can receive audio from the computer or not.

Something just hit me (pardon the pun) but with the 5 pin MIDI out and MIDI out from the USB port and wonder if that’s the source of flamming if both are connected to the computer?

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Mark King wrote:

Then it’s reporting the latency wrong as you certainly don’t get an echo/flam sound with 5.6ms. Are you saying you are using the td17 as an audio interface? I know the Roland drivers are not great for audio latency. I tested my td30 but had to drop the buffers to the lowest setting to get it acceptable. With my RME interface I can have the buffers much larger and get very low latency.

Sorry missed the 2nd page messages. If using the module as an audio interface then you can open the app from the control panel. It just has a slider that goes down to 32. As above though. 32 is the only acceptable setting in my opinion. Above that and I can feel the latency.

• This post was modified 11 months ago by Mark King.

Looking at the manual I don’t see how the brain acts as an audio interface for output from a connected computer. Maybe the TD30 is different in that regard.

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machine_74 wrote:

When I say it sounds terrible, there’s some residual echoing and the sounds come out deleyed. When I strike the pads of cymbals there’s a noticable delay, and it’s unplayable with that kind of feedback.

Also Shootie–I’m using SD3, not EZD3.

I’m finding that when I look at the output settings it’s letting me choose a delay value and it won’t go below 5.6ms.

So all in all, suggestion is to tweak the buffer size in the software and module, so I’ll have to revisit how to do that.

I’m not using an audio module. I have my kit hooked up to my laptop via USB, standalone SD3 installed on my laptop.

The Roland latency settings have nothing to do with audio coming from the computer UNLESS you’re somehow feeding audio from your computer back to the drum brain. That echoing is probably a double hit but if you have local control off on the brain that shouldn’t happen.

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machine_74 wrote:

Yeah, I’ve had this machine for a while but I work in IT, so I know what to keep and what to uninstall. I don’t use a DAW< I run it as a standalone app with nothing else running on it.

I got the 5.6ms latency figure from the Roland module itself. It’s reporting that number.

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What are you using as an audio interface? I sincerely doubt that you’re getting 5.6 ms latency as even the best interfaces barely get that low. And again I ask – what do you mean by ‘sounds terrible’?

I looked at the manual for your e-kit and am confused – how are you getting audio from SD3 if the MIDI USB cable isn’t connected to your computer? You need that connection to be able to trigger sounds in SD3 that’s on your computer. You need the headset to be connected to your computer to hear SD3 sounds. You’re not using the Bluetooth ability of the Roland are you?

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• This post was modified 11 months ago by drumjack52.

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machine_74 wrote:

Thanks for all the advice. No that wasn’t a typo, that’s my laptop’s processor 🙂 I wasn’t planning on replacing it this tax season as I have another desktop to replace for the kids, but….it might be worth testing on a different machine. I have some at work I could borrow and then wipe after I test, should my SD3 licensing allow.

That’s a start but unless you have a separate audio interface it won’t help all that much. You’re going to need a separate interface with proper drivers to get things close to where they should be. Where did you see that 5.6ms latency figure? And again – are you running SD3 in standalone or in daw software. Also what exactly do you mean by ‘sounds terrible’? Audio quality? Or what? Onboard audio I/O is only good for system sounds and that’s about it. They’re built to the lowest possible quality especially in a laptop. What make and model please.

There’s so much extra crud running in an off-the-shelf computer it ain’t funny. All that will eat cpu power like crazy. Try turning off as much stuff as possible – stuff like any wireless services to begin with.

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Input latency won’t matter because the OP isn’t shuttling audio from his drum brain only MIDI so it’s just output latency to worry about. Like I said there’s also MIDI latency that comes into play but that’s generally not user adjustable.

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I looked up latency figures for RME interfaces which are some of the best around and there’s a typical 5.6 ms latency. An onboard interface won’t get anywheres near that figure. Keep in mind that latency depends on how many buffers you’re running. To the OP: are you running SD3 in a daw or standalone? What else do you have running on your computer when using SD3? And there’s not only audio latency but MIDI latency as well. Not much you can do to compensate for the latter.

Another site to look for for Windows optimizations is Black Viper. Don’t know if he’s still around or not.

I would love to have 5.6 ms of actual latency but I’ve learned to compensate in my head for that. Charlie Watts had to do that because when the Stones first started out on stage he didn’t have monitors of his own. Now I’m no CW but I do pretty well.

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I’d try Sweetwater for an interface – they’re good people to deal with. But really 5.6 ms isn’t all that bad. ASIO4ALL isn’t a good driver and should only be used if you don’t have the proper drivers for whatever audio interface you have which apparently you don’t have. Built-in interfaces in a computer aren’t all that great anyways for serious work.

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solemndave wrote:

Hello all,

Thank you so much for all of your help. It’s been a learning process and I’ve learned a lot from you all. I found a solution that worked for me in an older forum answered by Jose Sanguino back in Aug/21. The question was “Clear All MIDI Mapping Keys”. Some of you alluded to what I needed, but I didn’t have the knowledge of how to ask the question properly. I wouldn’t have found it without all of your help.

Thanks much!

Dave

Here’s the link:

https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/clear-all-midi-mapping-keys/

Glad you found it and thanks for posting the link. Sometimes doing stuff in SD3 isn’t all that straightforward  (or fully explained in the documentation).

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Related question: does Sibelius print out proper drum notation?

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I think I understand what the OP’s issue is and it’s something I kind of talked about earlier (in terms of GM drum mapping) and that’s that there’s a difference between what Roland and Toontrack consider what tom responds to what note. IOW what Roland seems to consider tom 1 is and what SD3 considers tom 1. I put it down to SD3’s MIDI mappping even when using the appropriate mapping preset in SD3.

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Geir Byre wrote:

Superior Drummer 3 for macOS 10.10 or above

Version: 3.3.7

Date: 2024-05-06

 

Superior Drummer 2 for Mac OS X 10.6 to 10.13 only

Version:
2.4.4

Date:
2016-06-10

Sound library update for Mac

Version:
1.3.0

Date:
2022-09-22

Size:
2.3 GB

Reply To: No sound on Superior Drummer 3 on Mac Mini M4 Studio One version: 3.3.7

I see your problem – you didn’t install parts 1 and 2 of the sound library for SD3. Those 2 parts are a rough total of 87 gig.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Expanding on Brad‘s post did you install the core library via the product manager?there are five parts to the library, but I believe the first three (might be first two) are essential for Superior Drummer to work.

jord

• This post was modified 11 months, 1 week ago by Bear-Faced Cow.

Parts 1 and 2 must be installed and part 5 if one wants the bleed mics to work.

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