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[drumjack52]

Thanks all for the responses. I’d been watching this video for ages and wondered what it was all about. I’ll have to look at the core library to see what’s there. I’ve done a couple of covers of Fleetwood Mac pieces so something different might add a little spice if you will. I know that Mick doesn’t use it for the dvd they did in Boston so it might have been a one-off to match with the marching band stuff later on in the dvd. Roughly 7 years difference between the 2 gigs.

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[drumjack52]

Jord: Look at 10:36 of this video and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s during ‘Everywhere’. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9suHkG7QfYw

I don’t have someplace I can put the screenshot so the forum can see it.

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Mark King wrote:

Thankfully I have a bodhran and can play it. I’ve used it a few times in songs. I use sd3 for drums as real drums in my house are just not practical. Percussion, although loud is nowhere near as loud as drums so I tend to play the actual instruments. Obviously no use if you don’t have the instrument and can’t play it if you did.

Definitely a need for multisample percussion. Tabla would also be useful. I have a set but they need re-skinning. I did have tabla on a Roland u220 expansion card 30 years ago which were actually quite good.

Saying all that I love SD3 for the drums which are by far the best.

I was surprised how loud a bodhran can get when played in a quiet setting. But yeah most hand percussion doesn’t get as loud as a full drum kit.

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rrrural wrote:

I’d agree with you @drumjack52, but it works flawlessly – for hours on end – once I reload the plugin. It is enough RAM (this is Apple Silicon/Unified Memory after all).

There seems to be some issue with the way the project first loads, or the way the plugin loads a “resumed” state.

Unified memory doesn’t mean a thing – ram is still ram and 16 gig is still only 16 gig. Unified ram doesn’t get you any more ram no matter how fast it is. It doesn’t make 16 gig bigger.

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[drumjack52]

16 gig isn’t nowheres near enough ram. There’s 2 things in life one can never have too much of – ram and money.

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[drumjack52]

Sadly you’re going to have to look elsewheres for celtic drums and percussion. I would love to have a decent sounding bodhran but it’s not to be. Just sampling that ain’t gonna be easy due to capturing the different positions of how the hand that supports the drum is. That’s a huge part of bodhran drumming – I’d suggest taking a look at any of the Celtic Woman videos where Ray Fean does his thing. Skiffle might be easier but that doesn’t have that much of a distinctive drum sound as much as style of playing. Same thing with cajun.

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[drumjack52]

You can’t flip the phase of each mic separately in the SD3 mixer?

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The first thing to do is to watch the drums page in SD3 and see what hits show when you hit the kick and crash at the same time. That will tell you that the DM10 is sending the correct notes. If that doesn’t tell you anything then download the free MIDI utility snoize – run it and it will tell you what’s being sent from the brain. Of course there’s always the usual adjust the pad sensitivity and crosstalk on the DM10.

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What exact version of Melodyne are you using? Why go through converting the audio to MIDI when you can just import the MIDI from your drum brain to PT and thence on to SD3?

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Tom Conner wrote:

Re: 16 bit vs 24 bit sample depth – please point me to any recording that gets close to using 96dB of dynamic range. 96dB is a 636 times increase in intensity, since it’s 2X volume every 10dB. 🙂

Symphonic music can easily outrun 96dB of dynamic range. Like I said earlier – why handicap the sound with a lower bit rate? Better to have more range available than you need.

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[drumjack52]

Tom: what you are missing is headroom. You always want to have more than you think you need. You may not hear it but the difference is there.  You never want to get close to the limits of anything. Also keep in mind intersample peaks – slack off on the overhead (oversampling) and you’ll hear distortion. It’s like ram and money – you can never have too much of either. I’d rather be in the middle of things than try and live on the bleeding edge as you’ll get cut by it sooner or later.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

The Apollo and Satellite are fine. Unless they are TB2, all you need is a TB cable. We don’t need to worry about FireWire connections because the no Apple Silicon unit has any.

jord

UAD Apollo 8 is Thunderbolt 2.

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Brian wrote:

Mac Mini M4 Pro (2024: 64 GB), OSX 15 (Sequoia), Pro Tools 2025, UAD Apollo 8, UAD-2 Quad Satellite DSP  Accelerator, 2 x Lacie Thunderbolt SSD (250GB), Seagate Backup Plus  Drive (4TB), Samsung T7 (4TB).

How many different adapters are you running those UAD boxes through? Not all Thunderbolt series adapters are compatible with each other as are not all Thunderbolt versions are compatible with each other. And don’t even get me started if any of those are Firewire connections.

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[drumjack52]

What we don’t know in all this is what are the OP’s system specs and is he using the core library or an SDX?

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Brian wrote:

I’m already doing this, following your earlier posts. Just seems more complicated than having separate instances. However, the MIDI overdubbing discussed on the Avid DUC  seems like a much better method, I’ll try that.

The way you started out doing your work may seem simple to you but it’s part of what’s causing your problems. Why not do things the way every other person would do it? Once you get the hang of it you should be sailing along just fine. Learn good habits from the beginning and that way you won’t have to unlearn what got you into trouble to begin with. None of us was born knowing this stuff in the womb and learning new stuff can lead you onto the path of success. Trust those of us who have been there/done that.

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