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drumjack52Indeed!!
Multichannel output is THE way for that what you are trying to achieve. Don’t waste your time with the workflow you detail above. If you mentioned the DAW you are using, I missed it and can’t find it in a fast search through your posts, but you can search in Youtube for “superior drummer multichannel output ” or “”superior drummer multi output ” and you will find for sure some videos explaining how to set it up.
The OP is using Cakewalk by Bandlab.
Here’s a screenshot of a part of my SD3 mixer showing multichannel output https://ibb.co/WNFTgp0p
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52No No No. You are overthinking this. Use multichannel outputs in SD3 and route each one to a track in your daw. Wish I knew how to post a screenshot. But as I mentioned you should treat drums as a single instrument and not as individual pieces.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52ASIO is only a stand-in if you don’t have proper drivers for your audio interface. Of course one could always learn proper timing so you don’t have to lean on a click (unless there’s tempo/rhythm changes). When Karen Carpenter was recording drums sometimes as a joke they would drop out the click and bring it back in and she was on perfect timing.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52If you exported a kick drum that was soloed, you’re silencing the bleed to the other channels. You need to think of drums holistically and export the entire kit either through bus outputs or as a complete mix.
jord
Exactly. Use multichannel out in SD3 with each kit piece either to an individual output or bussed together inside SD3 and then to the daw. I buss the rack toms together in SD3 and then to an audio track in ProTools. Ditto for the floor toms, cymbals (where I can), etc. That way I get the bleed that SD3 is famous for and what makes it sound like a real drum kit. And PT will have individual audio tracks from SD3 so I can mix as wanted/needed.
Of course you can also turn down/off the bleed in SD3. But you never want to make mix decisions based on a solo’d track. Any mixer would have all the drum track faders up in a console anyways and make his/her decisions that way. There was an article in a recent Recording Magazine wherein it was talked about mixing drums and the person said he treats drums as an instrument on it’s own and not a collection of individual pieces. For example you don’t treat a guitar as 6 separate strings but as an instrument as a whole – drums are the same thing.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52A daw will open any plugin in the state it was in with whatever settings it had as it was when last saved. It doesn’t care what you did in standalone. This is so you can have multiple daw sessions with whatever was in there when last worked on with each daw session being it’s own thing. This goes for any plugin and is not SD3 related as such.
As to how to solve getting your standalone workings in SD3 into your daw I can’t answer and would like to know myself.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52I don’t believe Superior Drummer 2 had a timeline. In that case, you could probably switch your old projects over to Superior Drummer 3 and get rid of Superior Drummer 2 itself, if you want. You might even find new life in your old projects if you decide not to use the NY Avatar library.
jord
Will SD3 automatically pickup in place of SD3? Assuming the libraries are the same (like the core library)? IOW if I load a session that had SD2 will SD3 automatically replace SD2?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Good to know.
Do you think I should uninstall SD2?
You could keep the application itself installed so you can go back to earlier session that use SD2.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Does it really matter Jack? The problem is a space issue anyways. Let’s not convolute the issue.
jord
To me it does matter as I’ve seen (and experienced) some strange things with paths that are not the usual path. I remember back some decades when OSX became not ‘world writable’ in certain system locations.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52The path is correct. There is often some hidden system data which will often not be picked up by the Finder. This could be even more prevalent with Sequioa.
You should consider purchasing an external SSD and storing your Superior Drummer libraries on it.
jord
The path is right? Then why does my system have it as I posted? I let the Product Manager put things where it wanted except for the samples which are on an SSD.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52That path doesn’t look right. It should be something like Library/Application Support/Toontrack/Superior Drummer.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Hey, thanks for the reply. I know its possible to move the closed point up in Superior Drummer 3 but would that limit my dynamic range when playing?
Surely a Roland TD-17 when playing with Superior Drummer 3 should register 0-127 when playing a hi-hat?
I thought this would have been the normal range for a kit and software of this range.
You’ve completely missed that several people have said the max output from the TD17 for the hihat is 89. Again you really should get in touch with Roland to nail this down.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Also keep in mind that when you click on a kitpiece in SD3 it’s played at full velocity. And try changing the velocity curve in SD3.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52As previously mentioned, EZ Drummer expansions have to be on the same drive. And no, reinstalling on the same computer doesn’t cost an auth. I’ve done it many times. Even if there was an auth issue, the ToonTrack team have always been more than helpful.
jord
To clarify – when you say ‘same drive’ are you talking about the same drive as other samples for SD3 like the core library?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Thanks Jord, it was something like that, I have reinstalled those two libraries and that fixed it. All my libraries are on the same drive, but those two were probably installed on my internal and then moved.
Michal
Operating system: macOS Monterey (12)
Good you got it sorted. Hopefully you didn’t run out of authorizations as I don’t know if what you had to do counted against the number of auths allowed. That said having moved them after install shouldn’t have triggered your problem. And on separate drives either.
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
drumjack52Are they all on the same drive?
Jack
aka musicman691 on other forums
Superior Drummer 3.4.1
Area 33 1.0.0
Death and Darkness 1.0.1
PT 2021.6
OSX 10.13.6
3.46 GHz hex core 2012 MacPro 48 gig ram
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