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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

What are you trying to add?

jord

A fourth rack tom. Actually I’ve had it and been using it but I went to adjust the bleed for some of my kit pieces and noticed that there’s no bleed control for that kit piece in the mixer channel I have for it. The kit I’m using is from Death and the rack tom is also from Death.

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[drumjack52]

Same amount of notes and velocities and kit pieces hit in both songs? Where are you seeing the levels – individual tracks or 2-bus?

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I’m done here – tried all I can do to help but you insist on doing things the hard way instead of just using multiout. You’re wasting time chasing something that no one has ever had a problem with in SD3. I repeat – if you want to send your session to a mixer person your best bet on capturing the essence of SD3 is to use multiout.

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Andrew Payne wrote:

Hi Jack, Just an FYI – I use xdrums a lot and as an example I have a second (continually closed) hi hat on my kit. If I copy an existing Hi-Hat it will actually copy all the mic channels (bleeds) for that original instrument. Example on screenshot (All bleeds available – but I only use the close mic and OH for this one). Same for any other xdrums. I often duplicate toms and change parameters to give me a 6 tom set up regardless of library.

I do have a couple of “sampled” user cymbal instruments (chimes) that I use and they only have one channel as xdrums. I route these to a bus that then routes to my “cyms” bus channel and also has a send to my OH bus so my way of getting these one mic channel instruments into both a “cyms” bus and also into OH bus to give a bit more mixing flexibility. I like to have all instruments in my OH channel. Hope this is of use to you. cheers, Andrew

 

Operating system: Windows 10

Thanks for this. Do you see a bleed control for that second hihat in the mixer? I don’t when I look at my mixer for what for me is a fourth rack tom as an xdrum (I do a lot of Neil Peart type stuff that needs 4 rack toms). That’s what I based my comment on about bleed and xdrums. Am I missing something here?

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LeanderL wrote:

Thanks!  I did not solo kit pieces. I played the entire mid in SD3 and using ONE output channel vs. multiout. The hihat is an xdrum instrument.

Now I deleted every second kick and snare hit from the blast beat…now the hihat seems to sound the same.

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by LeanderL.

Why are you using an xdrum for a hihat? There’s no need for that. xdrums have a totally different mic setup – wish you had told us this when you started this thread. Xdrums (as near as I know) don’t have bleed on them – at least there’s nothing showing in the SD3 mixer. Use multiout and the regular hihat.

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LeanderL wrote:

Thanks!

Could you please listen to “PS Does the hihat sound alike in both examples?

“?

The playback from SD3 vs. multiout and channels does not seem to sound alike. I want to know if it is a bug or what I am missing.

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by LeanderL.

There’s precious little difference between the two examples. Just use multiout and be done with it. That’s the only way to go with drums if you want to mix outside of SD3’s mixer. Not sure but I think what you’re doing with soloing an SD3 kitpiece loses the bleed from the other pieces.

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Patrick Hagemann wrote:

Hi,

thank you for your tips and questions!

I use SD3 as Standalone and its at Version 3.3.7
The Audio Interface is an Focusrite 2i2 Ver.1
It also only drops the click sound, no other sounds.
My PC is more then powerfull enough, i think. 64GByte RAM, I9-10900K, 4080Super, M2 SSD.

@Drumjack52: Yea, i could play quite accurate, but its anoying when the clicks stops randomly when you will record a song.

I learned never to rely on a click track for this very reason. Not saying I’m a human metronome though.

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LeanderL: This is rapidly becoming not an SD3 issue but learning mixing procedures. Did you even look at the Groove 3 site? There’s no need to export anything from SD3 but properly use multiout in SD3 in conjunction with your daw. As to effects – you can still use SD3’s effects on tracks while still in the mixer if they give you what you want but if you’re sending stuff to a mixer then I’d hold off on using any SD3 specific effects. I prefer to have the tracks come out of SD3 in a raw state and do all my effects and mixing in my daw. That way I have ultimate flexibility in the sound.

Of course you could always leave SD3 live feeding you daw from multiout and use SD3’s built-in effects. You have 64 gig of ram so don’t be shy to use it. I have 48 gig of ram and the SD3 kit I use from Death and Darkness totals out at almost 14 gig when all loaded into ram and as I said before I never choke on ram usage but cpu load. And this is on sessions that have upwards of 40+ tracks in ProTools with a mix of sample-based vi’s and non-sample-based vi’s.

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LeanderL wrote:

Thanks!

My computer:

Mainboard: MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk
Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X, 8x 3.60GHz
RAM: Kingston Fury 64GB DDR4-3200

My SD3 preset is 3,400 MB. Then I have EZ Bass, VSL Piano, VSL Violin, Cello, Choir, strings, brass, BestService Engine with medieval instruments etc. etc.

The main problem is not the multiout, but that I also want to send the audio files to a professional mixer…so I need to know what to export and how. With mixer, I don’t mean an
external mixer in my DAW, but a professional studio that offers mixing. 🙂

But it seems that I only have to export the orange buses in my SD mixer…one by one…by soloing one bus, exporting it, then soloing the next one etc.

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by LeanderL.

NO NO NO! With multiout you can send the files to a mixer. You just need to properly route the outputs from SD3 to separate tracks in your daw. Multiout does NOT use more memory than what you’re doing. YOu’ve seen a partial screenshot of my mixer – each of those SD3 output groups go to a separate audio track in ProTools. So I end up with an audio track with the kick drum, another for the snare, yet another for hihat, rack toms to a track, etc. That way I can mix things just like a regular mix engineer would. No mucking about with soling individual tracks in SD3 and so forth.

Take a look at the Groove 3 site for tutorials on mixing – I think they have some free ones but their pay-for stuff is excellent.

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iainp999 wrote:

Jack, I did reply to that question – “however, yes, the idea is that other applications cannot output audio whilst SD3 is doing so”.

If all you’re worried about is system sounds then just turn them off in MacOS control panel in the ‘sound’  section. It’s that simple. That’s what I do so I don’t have system sounds happening when working in my daw.

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iainp999 wrote:

Jordan, there are other applications that can do this, such as Roon.

https://help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/faq-what-s-exclusive-mode

However, yes, the idea is that other applications cannot output audio whilst SD3 is doing so.

Jack – where would one do that? I’ve looked around in settings, and done some googling, and without installing third-party software I don’t see a way to effectively “mute” all apps other than SD3. Even doing so with a third-party app is a pain to do so and then restore when done.

• This post was modified 7 months, 3 weeks ago by iainp999.

I’m not talking about other apps but MacOS systems sounds. Those can be muted in the systems preferences ‘sound’ area. Yous till haven’t told us why you want to do this.

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LeanderL wrote:

Thanks, but multiout does not solve my problem…I want to bounce all VSTis before mixing…I cannot have EZ Bass, Superior Drummer and a ton of orchestral libraries all active in the RAM.

Moreover, multiout does not let me manually increase the volume of the e.g. hihat at 2 minute 2 seconds to 2 minute 8 seconds…I can do that with audio files and volume envelopes.

Multiout DOES allow you to manually adjust the volume of say a hihat (that’s the purpose of using multiout). I do it all the time – you need to learn how to do level automation adjustments in your daw. Multiout uses no more ram than doing things your way. You absolutely have to learn proper mixing and recording. Take a look at the Groove 3 website for plenty of mixing and recording courses.

How much ram do you have in your computer? With 48 gig of ram I have yet to run into a problem with 40+ tracks of SD3 outputs (have you seen the mixer shot I posted earlier?) and various sample based instruments. Without rendering anything to audio. I only render to audio when I’m happy with the sound of something. Modern Macs are insanely speedy on swapping out memory usage amongst programs. The only time my system chokes is on cpu power not memory usage. And I run an ancient 2012 MacPro desktop with a hex core 3.46GHz cpu – hardly state of the art.

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Bear-Faced Cow wrote:

Autocorrect fail… it was supposed to say grid editor or your DAW.

Autocorrect is my worst enema.

jord

I think the worst autocorrect is in Mac Mail.

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What exactly are you trying to accomplish? If you don’t want system sounds coming through then you can turn them off in the Mac’s control panel. Other than that there’s no way to have any application running inside MacOS have exclusive usage of the audio interface that I know of.

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Glenwing wrote:

Hi, I’m trying to create a sustained orchestral-type roll using...

Hi, I’m trying to create a sustained orchestral-type roll using the closed roll articulation in the standard version of SD3. However, regardless of how long I make the MIDI note, the roll always plays for the same duration – a few buzzed strokes and then it dies out. Is there a way to extend this to sustain for as long as I’d like?

I’d appreciate any solutions!

Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

Hi, I’m trying to create a sustained orchestral-type roll using the closed roll articulation in the standard version of SD3. However, regardless of how long I make the MIDI note, the roll always plays for the same duration – a few buzzed strokes and then it dies out. Is there a way to extend this to sustain for as long as I’d like?

I’d appreciate any solutions!

Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

What kit piece in which preset? Are you talking about using the core library?

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