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hixsonia wrote:

This is why I was trying, desperately to not have to re-download…

I haven’t seen download speeds that slow since Verizon was on copper line. Do you have someplace else you can go to to do the download? Are you direct connect or on wireless?

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hixsonia wrote:

Thanks again Jordan,

Not really saying it’s Toontrack issue but a corrupted file or a bad sector issue. Formatted in ExFat and tried again and I would think it would write to a different sector but unfortunately, same result.

Guess I’ll just have to bite the bullet and reinstall the whole 90 gigs.

Thanks again!

Why did you reformat to exfat? There’s no need for that if you’re not going to exchange with a Windows user. Did your SD3 install work before you decided to move it? If so then I highly doubt you have a corrupted file (unless the drive it was on was corrupted). Like Jord said this is NOT an SD3 issue as such – it just happened to get caught up in this brouhaha.

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hixsonia wrote:

UGreen in a very fast (200MB per second) external SSD connected via USB C (Thunderbolt). Formatted as APFS (as SD3 support suggests).

Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

• This post was modified 23 hours, 52 minutes ago by hixsonia.

That’s not all that fast. Can you transfer anything else to that drive without it ejecting? Your problem might just be that drive. Go to OWC (Other World Computing) at https://eshop.macsales.com or Newegg and get a real external drive enclosure and drive.

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What is a ‘U Green’ drive? Never heard of it. How is it connected to you Mac? Have you formatted the drive on your computer? I have never seen a case of moving files on a Mac causing the disk to eject unless the disc is faulty.

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That depends on how the library was recorded. I know the core library has the options of sticks/rods/brushes on some kit pieces. All Death & Darkness and Area 33 have are sticks. Right click on a kit piece and it should tell you if that option is available and it’s on a per kit piece basis and not for the whole kit.

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Something I’ve found that when working on my own stuff and therefore not under a time constraint is to work on a tune for a bit and then maybe let it sit for some time like days or even weeks and then come back to it. Fresh ears. Maybe I’ll work on something else and then come back.

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Kim Mossige wrote:

In mixing mainly through Audeze MM-500, and for monitoring its a pair of iloud micro at ear height, treated room with fairly low echo when listening in the room. Using Apollo x6 and a pair of x414 for recording.

Several Studios i know here have real kits and dont have the luxury of changing up snare sounds other than adding sample layers to them, but most of the engineers I’ve spoken to like to deaden their snare in a mix. Note that’s not the reason I do it, I have a weakness for dead 70s sound. In my opinion it’s not a mix problem but artistic clash maybe. Agreed that the midnight kit was better.

 

 

What I was getting at in my previous post here is that that dead snare sound is NOT working for the music in question. If you want this track to work you need to change it. I have weaknesses for certain sounds but they don’t work for everything. Is this something you’re doing for yourself or a client?

Those MM500 cans are pretty darned good and way better than those little computer desktop speakers you’re using. A 3 inch woofer? If that’s all you have room for that’s one thing and at best I’d use them as check speakers.

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There’s nothing wrong with writing automation – it’s a basic part of any recordists repertoire. It will definitely help your mix to sit well. That muffled sound is what’s wrong with your mix. It’s not what the tune you’re working on needs. Sure you might like that sound but that doesn’t mean it’ll work with the project. Good drummers know how to play what the tune needs and not what they think is cool. Audio engineers also are that way (or they should be).

It’s good to have reference tracks – nothing wrong. But the genius is knowing when to change things. What’s cool in one genre might not be cool in another. Also don’t be a slave to a certain sound. Don’t be afraid to customize a sound for what the tune needs.

Something that just came to me – what’s your setup like? Do you have any acoustic treatment? What are you using for monitor speakers? You don’t need a pro-level studio setup but I’m wondering if you are really hearing things right.

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The problem of loading times is that drive – the transfer speed is way too slow. What exact computer do you have? What ports do you have on it?

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Kim Mossige wrote:

But the drums do need some compression, losing all processing will just make it a raw drum recording? Don’t want to cut too much on the guitars, as I want then to bloom on top of everything when solo comes. I’ve already removed quite a lot of 500 mid on them.

Dead/muffled snare seemed to be the only thing fitting, I have an even bigger issue with wet snares on general 😬 trying to get that Steve Jordan Snare from Vultures

• This post was modified 5 days, 6 hours ago by Kim Mossige.

Compression is different than eq. First try things without any external processing and you may be surprised that the sound will be way better. Trust Jord and I on this as we’ve been doing this for decades. If you want the guitars to ‘bloom on top of everything’ when the solo comes – learn to do automation of levels of the guitars in the song. Or use ducking on the tracks other than guitar. That dead/muffled snare doesn’t fit with anything. If this is the type of thing you’re playing for your buddies no wonder they’re critical of the sound.

What would help you immensely is to watch some YouTube videos on mixing. As a quickie help on toms (rack and floor) I cut a bit of 400 HZ and around 200 Hz on a snare – trim to taste. And to tame obnoxious cymbals try a deesser – they’re not just for vocals. I rarely use eq to boost freqs. The only eq I use on drums is just what I mentioned. The only other processing is a compressor on the drum 2 bus and a limiter to catch overs but I DON”t drive into that limiter.

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What are the specs on your external drive (type, etc.) and how is it connected? Do you have a virus checker running that checks stuff all the time? You don’t need to use the learn function for notes to appear in the MIDI in edrums window – just hit a pad on your ekit. You can turn on and off articulations by going clicking on the ‘all articulations’ button and you’ll get a window with power buttons for each articulation for that kit piece. Lastly is there anyw ay you can have your screenshots show right side up?

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Lose the processing on the snare and kick – they are super dead & muffled. Then again I was ever a fan of the Steely Dan sound. The drum sounds do not match up with the tune. The playing style is right for the tune but not the sound. Lose some of that midrange boost. State of the Art library should help you nail the Steely Dan sound after all Scheiner worked on their music. You’re going to want to use the Midnight kit from that SDX.

Keep in mind that I’m listening on my JBL LSR308’s in my studio not some dinky computer speakers or earbuds.

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Jord: I think you hit the nail on the head – he wanted a certain articulation brought up in level relative to the others for that cymbal. And that’s probably at least part of the problem. The other is to never make processing decisions on a track in solo mode but how it plays in the mix.

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If you’re not adverse to fixing things in your daw instead of in SD3 you could try something like Oeksound Soothe or the new spectral eq/compression in FabFilter Pro Q4. Of course it might not be the samples themselves but velocity of hit. And if that’s it dynamic eq with a tight Q could well work.

As far as what your buddies think that’s just their opinion. For the ‘drums that don’t fit the song’ bit it could be the sample library used or it could just be the actual drumming doesn’t fit. Overplaying or underplaying. Drummers sometime have the propensity of trying to play too busy of a part.

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Get with Roland tech support and ask them if the particular setup you have is compatible with each other. Tell them everything – any adapters included. The Roland documents should be able to give you what each pad puts out in the MIDI stream. If not Tech support should have that info.

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