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[Damir]

I use it purely for its sounds the rest is a waste of time

[Damir]

New generation drummers don’t seem to be able to play those beats, which is a pity.Anything past 4/4 is too much for them.😂

[Damir]

Hi Mick, i discovered the same thing as soon as i bought the software, and am still very disappointed, the manufacturers of this whole range of software are in it for the money not to actually make life easy for you , this is the first thing you have to accept, you need to keep buying add ons to make things work a little better even then they made it very hard to actually let you be creative in a fast way, you need to involve a Daw which then does not work with the software in an easy way to speed up your work process, so unfortunately the sad news is ED3 is a good sound module but not so good when you quickly want to be creative with it using your time in a daw like logic and its own drummer facility is probably more efficient and just use EZD3 as a sound source if you like its sounds.

The software manufacturer was concentrating mainly on how to make money on this whole range than how to make the software more useful to the end user, perhaps they will come up with a few useful updates to fix this , but i wouldn’t hold my breath.

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[Damir]

If you are disappointed with the installation just wait till you start using it.

good luck!

[Damir]

You can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.

Reply To: Grid editor Can you play your music track when editing? version: 3.0.3
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[Damir]

Thanks Soothie you are absolutely spot on and I will do as you suggest  I’ve had my share of improvement in the industry life goes on as you say rock on!

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[Damir]

Hi Bear, i also have great experience in audio as a sound engineer in the ABC radio/tv land for 0ver 40 years and running a band since i was 15 , not to mention i am also a qualified electronic technician and have a lot of other experiences in my life so i do know how DAWs work and i know for a fact that they can be controlled  remotely by hardware an software.

My observation of EZD3 is that it does not deliver Eazy control of most important tools required when creating a drum pattern within its grid editor, if you use a DAW with it, it does not allow you to simply choose a playhead point within the plugin grid editor and sync up the DAW and just hit play and hear the DAW and EZD3 , you can only hear the drums in EZD3 no DAW audio is heard. This applies in SONG mode , this makes no sense as you have your DAW audio there you don’t need to go to the daw anymore as you are engrossed in the drumming at this stage you don’t want to be bothered with the DAW you expect to choose a loop point in the grid editor as thats the area of concern so you create a loop point in the editor this should auto reflect in the DAW so as you hit play in EZD3 where you are engrossed in and have it full screen because you want very accurate control of your editing, the last thing you want is to have to exit this screen and be bothered creating new loop points in the DAW , this should be possible within EZD3 so you can just get on with the job of precise editing, but if you don’t use the DAW loop points and only use EZD3 loop points all you will hear is drums only without any DAW audio, this makes no sense since you need to hear the DAW audio as you are editing to this audio, this continual fighting between the DAW and EzD3 needs to stop, toontracks need to figure out how the two can be implemented so they work in harmony and so allowing us users to have a very quick and logical method of creation, this is possible with external hardware so why cant it be possible between plugin software, i am pretty sure i have worked with plugins that do have full control of the basic controls of the Daw.

This is my and many others gripe against EZD3 , this is basic operational stuff and not a nitty gritty concern about some minor sound issue of a sample that has a few milliseconds too much reverb or a tom tom that sounds to boomy.

This is very important to users that don’t want or need to learn shortcuts to get around an issue that should not exist in the first place.

i have other examples of this poor logic, but am just using this as one so you can see i and others have a legitimate gripe with EZD3 i am 63 years old and have plenty of musical and software experience i was around when apple 2 green screens were around and have had numerous computers in my lifetime at the moment i am still in the ABC radio master control surrounded by 14 computer screens, i do like good software and have no time for poor software, i would not be writing this to you if i didn’t think EZD3 was was not wort it, it is a wonderful example of nice looking and great sounding capability, its just it has been put together with lack of thought of how users might want to use it, i personally would love to just load a sound file in to BANDMASTER find a basic beat and just drop this to SONG and use the grid editor from there, not even involve a DAW but Toontrack has made it fine until you drop the midi file to the SONG mode from there it becomes useless as you cant hear the audio track loaded in Bandmaster, so again it becomes useless, so then you are forced to use a DAW from there you run in to all the other obstacles i mentioned earlier, yes sure i can finish a project but its like pulling teeth that wont come out, yet i can see how good this software could be if somebody just completed it properly.

Now after all that i hope you see my frustrations and i do have a lot of respect for you guys that are happy with it the way it is, i use to be in the same boat for years but at my age i do not wish to use time consuming software anymore as i am running out of time.

One day you will understand or perhaps you are similar age so you will understand.

cheers Damir, one man band,  that makes his own backing tracks as efficiently as possible.

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[Damir]

The fact you have been putting up with this logic for years shows me you are very set in your ways, this does not mean you don’t get the job done it means you just do it the hard way, no disrespect to you but i am pointing out something that is so obvious i cant believe i am having to explain to you that it would be a lot more constructive to be able to control the play stop start playhead and looping all in the one spot no matter which spot you happen to prefer to work in if this is not obvious to you then just take a moment and think about it from a different perspective, not continually seeing it from your fixed old fashioned way of doing things.

Sorry to be so blunt but dumb logic boils my blood.

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[Damir]

I totally agree with you DigitalEd,  and i believe there are a lot more disappointed people that haven’t spoken out yet, when i go to a restaurant i expect to eat high quality food not crap, if i buy EAZY DRUMMER it means i want an easy drumming experience not crappy buggy one that slows me down.

I dont like to waste time, thats why i am not holding back with my feedback i expect better from a high quality sounding product like EZD3.

I only give compliments where they are deserved.

Reply To: Grid editor Can you play your music track when editing? version: 3.0.3
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[Damir]

Thanks Brad i appreciate your technical knowledge and response, my main point is i am a music creator first, i don’t need or should have to know how software is constructed or its restrictions,  thats the job of companies that are involved in creating this stuff, i am just stating that both the DAW and plugin software writers don’t seem to give a shit about the end users, it is very obvious, i am a musician not a beta tester.

Reply To: Grid editor Can you play your music track when editing? version: 3.0.3
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[Damir]

That is such a crappy response , your response is the reason software never improves, I totally disagree with your way of thinking, there is absolutely no reason why EZD3 can not fully control the DAWs controls and it’s looping function so both appear to be in unison, the only reason it can’t be done is the lack of logical understanding by the designers to why it should be so.

simply put THEY DONT REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE WORK, they have had input from one party’s perspective that had a very narrow minded way of thinking, that’s why we ended up with a great product that satisfies only a few customers that are use to fiddling and tweaking and wasting their time on unnecessary crap.

I purchased this product because it had the word EASY in it and because it had great sounds, but all I got was a clumsy,  frustrating slow way of working where nothing works together easily.

Its a bit like picking up a great looking chick and finding out she’s crap in bed 🤪, as you can tell I’m frustrated, and by the way I’m a happily married musician of 40 years with one wife , which now days is like finding a virgin in a brothel.

Come on TOONTRACK you can do better!

Love you drum sounds.

keep up the good work.

Reply To: Grid editor Can you play your music track when editing? version: 3.0.3
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[Damir]

Again you don’t understand, we don’t want EZD3 to follow we want EZD3 to LEAD the DAW, what is so hard to do this , it is expected , I don’t need complicated work arounds because the software has not been designed to work efficiently, I am not asking for much, it is very logical a lot of people just want to work within EZD3 only they don’t want to be consistently bouncing back and forth , the shortcuts option is a cop out it’s not a great solution,

I expect software of the calibre of all the DAWs and Toontrack products in 2022 to work with each other seamlessly we are not living in the dark ages, SO TOONTRACK ARE YOU LISTENING ?

when you name a product EASY , then make it so.

Reply To: Grid editor Can you play your music track when editing? version: 3.0.3
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[Damir]

I don’t think toontracks understands what you are asking and they don’t seem to care, I have asked the same thing as it seems very logical that EZD3 should be also able to trigger the DAW if you prefer to work within the grid editor , I totally understand your question and your frustration, the simple answer is NO EZD3 grid editor only plays EZD3 so you will only hear the drums , if you want to hear the DAW in sync as well you have to use the DAW controls this is a dumb limitation of EZD3 that Toontracks has not woken up to yet.

you are forced to use the DAW yet you want to work in the EZD3 Grid editor because it’s supposed to be EAZY, I still can’t believe the  dumbness of EZD3 controls and looping, I am waiting for someone with logic in the company to wake up and fix this as at the moment I am simply using EZD3 as a sound module and I do all my editing of drums in the DAWs grid editor for that reason as I’m sick and tired of jumping from one to the other consistently because someone has not thought about having an efficient workflow.

Cheers , a real pissed off user

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[Damir]

EZD3  STUPID WORKFLOW!

Is it just ME or is it EZD3?

I am trying to place a drum track to an already created song in a DAW.

Track 1 has my song without drums

Track 2 has EAZY Drummer 3 in it.

I also have loaded my song to Bandmaster in EZD3

I am using a 27 inch iMac , Big Sir fully updated, and Logic Pro latest version.

Once EZD3 is opened on screen it covers 75% of my screen so using Logic becomes awkward , trying to resize EZD3 is not possible as expected you can not just grab a corner and resize, this is a major problem.

Because EZD3 does not stop and start the DAW you have to continually go to the DAW to stop start it otherwise EZD3 will only play itself and not the DAW which contains my song that I want to hear as I am creating my drums in EZD3.

THIS MAKES AN ABSOLUTE STUPID WORKFLOW.

I want to remain in EZD3 at all times for the reason when editing in grid mode I have a lot more drum control then if I use the DAW, yet EZD3 is forcing me to keep using the DAW to stop start loop etc.

THIS IS STUPID WORKFLOW!

I expect to open EZD3 full screen and forget the DAW in the background, ALL MY NEEDS TO CREATE A FINISHED DRUM TRACK SHOULD BE WITHIN EZD3 I SHOULD NOT NEED TO GO TO THE DAW UNTILL I AM HAPPY WITH MY DRUMS IN SONG MODE THEN I SHOULD HAVE CHOICES TO EITHER DRAG DROP TO DAW TRACKS EXPORT DRUMS ONLY AS AUDIO, EXPORT AS MIDI.

This way I can efficiently create my drums without continually bouncing between the two my screen can be larger to work in comfort  instead of a half naked method that creates hardship from all angles you look at it.

As I said at the moment EZD3 has a stupid workflow, I could go on but it’s time to stop

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[Damir]

Hi Mike, I am also concerned with a fairly large number of basic little things that don’t function correctly, I have a feeling EZD3 has been released prematurely and still has a fair way to go to perfect itself, you could say we are beta testing it without actually going through beta testing process, but hopefully in time everything will settle down with updates, it seems these days that’s how it’s done.
No one can produce a working product without an update feature involved.

A well designed product should need a very few updates, your issue is just another little tweak away in a very long list, the upside of it is we have the software to tinker with earlier and if you are not affected by any of those issues you are a lucky Chappy.

So let’s hope the busy bees are hard at work fixing things as we mention them and the new update resolves all our issues.

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