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[Damian Blunt]

BlueMistral wrote:

Well I’ve tried it but I don’t notice any difference to the “E-drum optimised” setting, the CC value still jumps when pressing/depressing the pedal without hitting the cymbal pad, resulting in opening articulations, specially 5 and 6 open edge, being triggered and ruining splash and closed pedal sounds….

Have you checked to see if your module is generating low level tip or edge articulations when triggering a footsplash? This is the only thing I can think would cause the behaviour you are describing

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[Damian Blunt]

BlueMistral wrote:

I see that opening and closing the Hihat without hitting the pad, the controller still sends CC values even when selecting the new edrum optimized settings, which still gives me weird open articulations, what we need is for SD3 to ignore any CC from the controller if the hihat is not hit so it only triggers the pedal closed articulation and not the whole CC range of open articulations…

• This post was modified 4 years, 4 months ago by BlueMistral.

You can use the ‘Note-Triggered Transitions’ setting for this

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Andrew Payne wrote:

Thanks Damian for your detailed explanation – very helpful and clears up a lot. Unfortunately I don’t have my Yamaha DTX900 module with me to be able to “test” these new settings as it is in for repair and I cannot access it due to a long and protracted lockdown ! I don’t use hi-hat splashes so this is not a concern for me. What I do want to be able to do is a fast cymbal roll on the hi-hat and gradually lift the pedal all the way up and then gradually close it all the way down to generate a foot chick (or closed pedal note) with a continuous roll. When I do this I want to have a relatively smooth transition from fully closed to fully open and then again a smooth transition back to fully closed. Is this likely to give a smooth transition or is it always going to sound like an electronic replication of a hi-hat due to the “sharp” transition that occurs at whatever CC value generates the next articulation. And if so am I likely to have a less noticeable transition with all the 8 available articulations (not including closed pedal) or is it better to not have as many articulations ie say 4-6 of these rather than all 8 (where 8 are actually available).

I cant wait to get my module back so I can experiment with these settings but in the meantime would love to hear your thoughts or those of any other e-drummers. Obviously the acoustic hi hat is the most difficult instrument to replicate with electronic hi-hat triggers using cc values along with edge/bow and bell articulations (where available – bell not an option with Yamaha RHH135). cheers, Andrew

Reply To: 3.2.5 Update and E-Drum Hi Hat Performance version: 3.2.5
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With the 8 articulations loaded performance should be very good and in normal playing situations extremely close to acoustic hi-hats. With the later Superior Drummer 3 libraries a lot of effort has gone into capturing the transitions from closed to open that give the most realistic performance with e-drums. During editing and development of these libraries we also A/B with acoustic hi-hats to try to get the most authentic performance (some of the hi-hats in the later SDX’s are from my own personal collection so this makes the process of A/B’ing a little easier). Of course we are always looking at new technology and ways of improving things but I really believe the new E-drum Optimised setting provides a great alternative to the default especially with moving hi-hats.

Regarding cross-fading, we have discussed this in the past but playing two samples simultaneously could potentially create extra problems such as phase and comb-filtering issues. It is also a compromise in its own way as you are doubling the sound of physical interaction of the two cymbals at the mid-point. That’s not to say it isn’t an area worthy of further exploration.

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Hi,

Historically the default hi-hat settings in Superior Drummer 3 (and earlier iterations) attempts to mimic the behaviour of a real hi-hat i.e. when you move the pedal to a more closed or open position the ringing sounds transition to more closed or open sounds. We refer to this process as transmuting. For the majority of users in a real playing scenario this behaviour has worked well.

One area where transmuting has caused some problems for users has been with moving hi-hats such as the Roland VH-13. If you are playing a groove with the hi-hat in the open position sometimes hitting the pad would cause a significant enough CC deviation to cause a transmute to the next more closed articulation. This could occasionally sound slightly choppy and feel unnatural.

The new ‘E-drum Optimised’ setting continues to transmute with pedal movement only as the hi-hat is opened but no longer transmutes with pedal movement to a more closed articulation. This prevents a transmute to a more closed articulation when hitting the pad. We chose not to set a closed CC threshold to mute open hi-hats as this continues to cause the same problems with unwanted transmutes with moving hats. In a real playing world there is unlikely to be a scenario where a closed pedal note is not generated when closing the hi-hats although if you very gently close a Roland hi-hat a closed pedal note will not be generated so the open hit will continue to ring out.

The new foot splash settings allow you to turn off splashes completely (useful for rock or metal players that want to keep time by stomping on the hat pedal) or you can set the sensitivity to make it more or less easy to generate a foot splash.

Hope this helps!

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