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[Brian]

Satellite to Apollo: one thunderbolt cable; Apollo to Mac: one thunderbolt cable with adapter. Works just fine.

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[Brian]

Mac Mini M4 Pro (2024: 64 GB), OSX 15 (Sequoia), Pro Tools 2025, UAD Apollo 8, UAD-2 Quad Satellite DSP  Accelerator, 2 x Lacie Thunderbolt SSD (250GB), Seagate Backup Plus  Drive (4TB), Samsung T7 (4TB).

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[Brian]

I’m already doing this, following your earlier posts. Just seems more complicated than having separate instances. However, the MIDI overdubbing discussed on the Avid DUC  seems like a much better method, I’ll try that.

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[Brian]

Just one thing – using my method of physically tapping the midi keyboard for each individual drum element in separate instances on SD3. I don’t see how this is possible using one instance of SD3 on an instrument track routed to separate aux tracks for each element. It works, obviously, using the MIDI editor, which records all three elements to the instrument track which then routes them out to the auxes. But I prefer to play along with the song, adding each element one by one. This isn’t possible using the latter method as each successive drum recording records over the previous one. Or am I totally missing something?!

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[Brian]

I understand. I’ll try it to compare the results.

 

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[Brian]

Got you, thanks. Just different ways of working I guess.

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[Brian]

As a related issue, this is useful: https://www.production-expert.com/production-expert-1/what-is-pro-tools-midi-live-mode-really-doing?

 

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[Brian]

Three separate tracks so that I can have control over processing each element separately, just like miking a real drum kit.

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[Brian]

Three separate instances, one for kick, one for snare, one for hihats. Only the kick has the problem! Even when I create a new track each time.

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[Brian]

Thanks everyone, much appreciated.

It’s definitely not the keyboard, because every other instrument track in the session, and on all my other song sessions,  are timing-perfect using the same keyboard.

I’m wondering about Jord’s comment on “some form of compensation”…quite possible, but difficult to isolate. I’ve tried switching delay compensation on and off, sample rate etc etc. Anyway, I think I’ll resort to using midi editor at least for now….

cheers,

BB

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[Brian]

Hammer action, yes (M-Audio Keystation88 Mk3).

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[Brian]

But puzzlingly, the Superior Drummer 3 gui shows the drum impact earlier than the sound, even now that it’s recorded in the midi editor….

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[Brian]

So….as you suggested, I recorded the kick track in Midi Editor rather than on midi keyboard, and all seems good. But when I try to record with the keyboard, the issue continues, so I guess there is a sink issue with my keyboard…more research needed.

Many thanks for your very helpful suggestion…Now I just have to “humanize” the midi kick track as it’s aligned to the grid!

cheers,

BB

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[Brian]

Sorry, Question 1 – yes, the tracks are still midi, not rendered to audio.

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[Brian]

When you save the session are the tracks still MIDI or have you rendered them to audio?

YES.

Do you record the snare and hats using the click track like you do the kick?

YES.

What’s your audio buffer setting? Usually 256, but been advised to reduce to 64 when tracking.

I have never seen what you’re describing even on a relatively low-powered system like in my sig file.

Me neither! I’m using a Mac Mini M4 Pro (64GB unified memory, 1TB SSD), and UAD Apollo 8 DAW. All sessions etc. are on external Samsung SSDs.

Try this: manually enter using PT’s MIDI editor a string of notes for the kick – something like 4 notes per measure at whatever tempo you like. Then do a second line for snare and a third line for the hats. Then hit play and see what happens. Do this first with everything MIDI and if that’s okay then render the MIDI to audio and try again. If this passes then the problem is not specifically with SD3. What I’m trying to do here is take the human (you) out of the loop and give SD3 the best possible input.

Will do, I’ll report back. Thanks.

Are you using any effects in SD3? Multi-out or 2 channel stereo? What SDX? Do you have the problem with every kick drum in the library?

No effects, 2 channel stereo. No SDX. And I’ll check the other kicks…

cheers,

BB.

Reply To: Sync issues in Pro Tools (2024 and 2025) on ONE Superior Drummer 3 track only! version: 3.4.0
Operating system: macOS Sequoia (15)

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