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[bpjacobsen]

Mark King wrote:

Choose the default kits and then change how you want them. That’s what I do as these do t have effects on them.

I know I can change them, but even after messing around, I could not figure out how to get the drums to be consistent. was like 2 tom were good then another had hardly any sound. but I could not understand how to just take out the echo/ambience for the whole kit. Is there a one and done slider or switch for that? I don’t want every kit to sound like it’s being played in a theatre or something. I’m more about the tight, studio sound without all the reverb etc. like it’s in a sound proof room.

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John wrote:

…adding a few screen shots to emphasise the importance of doing the changes in the right place when customising for your E-drumming and where to save your MIDI Preset and make sure it is active

follow up question:

what do you recommend for the velocity curves? Like I know the default linear does not seem to work for me as it is too sensitive. I feel like I am having to squish it down and right to get the response to be a bit more realistic though I can’t say it’s completely satisfactory. However, I’m sorta holding off spending too much time until I get the edrumin boxes since the triggering should be way better.

[bpjacobsen]

John wrote:

bpjacobsen wrote:

I was asking if midi settings could be saved universally.

Hi,

that is what happens when you save your own MIDI In Preset on the MIDI In/E-drums settings page and it is Active. If you switch to another Preset, it should still be Active.

If you change Velocity Curves and MIDI Mapping settings in the property boxes on the DRUMS page, they will be wiped upon loading another preset.

BR,
John

OK, so along similar lines, I finally figured out how to get the ride bell to register on the proper pad/the bell on my set. but for some reason, it keeps reverting back to the tom next time I load it again I saved it both as the default and  save as. The cowbell seems to hold but not the ride bell. What am I doing wrong in the save process?

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Wow! that is quite the process and detailed explanation, very much appreciated. So with this approach, you are saying, the midi grooves won’t work right? Like if I wanted to play along? What do I do differently from all this if I do want to use the midi grooves? I was also wondering, is it possible to change the midi notes in the module to match what is in SD3 instead so that the grooves can be used if desired? Just a thought.

I was also thinking, Do I need to actually create new instruments to properly setup triggering of toms that are using the rim zone from another tom? Or does it work just like any other midi mapping and I just match up what is in the module, in SD3? Anything special I need to consider about the whole dual zone splitting among toms? or just treat it like any other midi mapping? I guess I’m probably overcomplicating things with that question. lol

My assumption is that if you are using two modules, you have to make sure every instrument is using a different midi note correct? So I would have to go into one of the two modules and change the notes to something unique so that every pad has a unique midi note when sent to SD3 correct? How do I get that info? Hopefully come September, I will snag 2 Edrumin 8 modules. So I assume their software has the midi note info and I would have to change them to something different from the other box so the two collectively have all unique notes per zone/pad? Then match them up with the midi notes in SD3? And once I do all that one time and get them matched up, I can switch kits and they will always be the same? (guessing that is why you changed them in the main drums page so loading any presets from the libraries would use the same notes?)

Excellent point on the gear so here is what I got:
UA Volt 4 USB Audio Interface
currently running a windows 10 pc with and I7 processor with 16gb ram and SSD drives but will be getting a mini pc that will have Windows 11, 32 gb ram and a 1 or 2 TB ssd drive 4.x gh ryzen 7 or i7 8 core processor. so should be no problems with anything I do pretty much.
Currently running two Alesis Strike module though only 1 of them now b/c I’m just trying to learn the basics of setup and holding off on much setup until I have the edrumin modules.

Obviously SD3 but so far no added libraries. that will be down the road. (gotta make sure this is all going to float my boat before blowing more money on this and that I learn the basics and get my kits sounding the way I want. lol)

Also I decided to scale down my kit a tiny bit by removing the extra rack tom, 1 floor tom and the jam blocks b/c I really just don’t need them. So the current layout is:

acoustic to e converted kit is 4 rack toms + 1 floor tom, cowbell, 2 crash, ride, splash, and china, hihat, snare, kick then the 8 octobans I built from PVC.

Goedrum dual zone triggers for all cymbals (3 zone for ride but not using the bell on that due to iffy triggering issues so I have the bell separated and using a piezo connected to a spare tom port as mentioned previously)

Hope I covered all I needed to.

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Andrew Payne wrote:

Hi There,

I am not sure exactly what you want from SD3 but it sems like you want to play your current (large) e-kit setup through SD3 and create a mapping that enables this. If this is the case I can give some hints based on what I do but the important thing is that I only play e-kit to trigger SD3 (and record in Cubase DAW) and do not use current MIDI grooves in SD3 for the kits I set up. The reason I say this is that I have created a specific MIDI map that I use based on my e-kit MIDI output (DTX900 in my case) and have created my own kit preset and physically changed all the MIDI notes for each instrument in my user kit in SD3 to match my e-kit MIDI output. I have created a MIDI map in my DAW that is the same. I then create my unique user kit preset in each SD3 library I use (and I have many – total of over 80 kits I have set up). This way regardless of the user kit I use, the triggers are all the same in Sd3 and always the same mapping in Cubase. Takes a while to set it up but once done you don’t have to change anything – except if you use a new SDX library then you make your own user kit as a preset and use same mapping logic. If this sounds like what you are trying to do then let me know and I can share more detail and screenshots if that helps. If you search on posts from me, some of the detail is already on the forum. cheers, Andrew

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

Sorta yes. Except I don’t really want to use a daw. Main interest is to play my e kit to trigger the SD3 sounds. I still continue to struggle with getting certain things to work right. This includes:

1. Cowbell

2. Ride bell since mine is connected separately to a tom zone.

3. Turning off or reducing ambience. I feel like the stock presets have too much of lt.

I just would rather not have to use a daw at least for now since I don’t intend to record and was told it can add latency. But I do have Reaper in case I need it. Don’t have budget for Cubase. Also I am planning to get 2 edrumin 8 trigger boxes and selling the Alesis modules as it seems they will have better triggering and good computer trigger setting software. So I probably won’t do a whole lot of setting up yet. Just trying to grasp the whole concept but will basically have to start over when I get the Edrumin boxes. If you think you can help, I’m all for it. Def a large learning curve for me me. Lol. Just trying to be patient. Still got a long ways to go. I’m wondering if part of my problem is fully grasping the whole Midi mapping thing especially bc of how I have all toms split and some are being used for different types of pads like Cowbell and that sep ride bell? Like I don’t understand why if I add an instrument on the left side It doesn’t allow me to right click on it and select midi mapping? Its grayed out. Or why i still get tom sound when hitting the ride bell even though it shows that pad being mapped to ride? How else am I supposed to map things like the cowbell and the ride?

I wish I could do like a remote session. And just have, like, a crash course, LOL. Thanks for your willingness to try to set me straight here. I will learn this eventually. 51 year old brain is a little slower than it used to be. Lol

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Mark King wrote:

It looks like you have aimed it at the ride bow tip. In the list from the first screen shot select the cowbell and not the ride. Then learn or manually map. It will then steel it from the ride bell.

I guess I confused the issues. I have two:

 

1. ride bell (1st screenshot) not working as it is playing a tom sound instead of the shown ride bell
2. per the 2nd screenshot, the midi mapping option is grayed out so I can’t map the cowbell.

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drumjack52 wrote:

bpjacobsen wrote:

drumjack52 wrote:

Are you asking if you can have the same MIDI mapping and velocity in your custom map when you change drum kit presets and have that as your MIDI mapping etc. without issue and extra work? Did you save your custom mapping as a preset in the MIDI in/edrums tab? I customized the GM MIDI preset and that’s my default for everything – I can change drum kits presets without issue. At worst you may have to switch to your customized preset when you change drum kit presets.

Reply To: Easy way to copy midi settings without starting over? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

I’m still new to this whole process so forgive the follow up questions. Can you please provide steps for how you did this? So it sounds like you are saying I can indeed save my mappings/velocity and still be able to switch to other presets without having to do them again? What are the steps for this? Still trying to get used to navigation and all.

Go to the MIDI in/edrums page, select a preset and customize it to your liking. Save it under a new name and use that preset when you need it. You’re missing a point in the question I asked – are you trying to use different drum kit presets?

Reply To: Easy way to copy midi settings without starting over? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

I was asking if midi settings could be saved universally. So I have my velocity etc. saved how I like it. Now I load another preset and they all revert back to defaults. I guess that’s why they call them presets. lol but to me, the velocity will pretty much be the same for every kit/preset. I guess what I”m really asking is if there is a way to save the velocity/mid settings as a default for all presets? Or am I pretty much stuck with having to re-do the velocity etc settings everytime I switch to another preset?

Also, how do I turn off ambience? Seems like a lot of the presets have in my opinion, too much ambience. I like a more tight, less echoey sound. Could not find in mixer where to adjust ambience.

[bpjacobsen]

drumjack52 wrote:

Are you asking if you can have the same MIDI mapping and velocity in your custom map when you change drum kit presets and have that as your MIDI mapping etc. without issue and extra work? Did you save your custom mapping as a preset in the MIDI in/edrums tab? I customized the GM MIDI preset and that’s my default for everything – I can change drum kits presets without issue. At worst you may have to switch to your customized preset when you change drum kit presets.

Reply To: Easy way to copy midi settings without starting over? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS High Sierra (10.13)

I’m still new to this whole process so forgive the follow up questions. Can you please provide steps for how you did this? So it sounds like you are saying I can indeed save my mappings/velocity and still be able to switch to other presets without having to do them again? What are the steps for this? Still trying to get used to navigation and all.

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pumpkinking wrote:

I have merged two Alesis kits (Crimson II and Surge) and added 8 lemon cymbals and the current setup has 20 individual pieces.  All works fine in SD3, but I’ve made two significant changes: 1) I abandoned the Alesis modules in favor of two software controllable eDrumin modules (much faster to config IMO and more controllable), and 2) I do not use all trigger points from all pieces (for example, most toms do not have rim triggers configured).  This second point helps maintain a large number of playable pieces while keeping the MIDI mapping burden down.  I do have the most important pieces fully mapped and configured (snare, hihat, ride, etc).

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: macOS Ventura (13)

So for my kit as pictured, how many edrumins would I need? my total pad count including cymbals is 30. but I too don’t use rims on toms so they are all split. so it’s 2 toms per TRS. The cymbals are all using 2 zones so I can have choke/edge/bow. The ride is actually using a tom port for the bell b/c I was having issues with the 3 zone ride working properly on the strike so I sorta gave up on that and it works much better as a single zone. this might change with the edrumin which would free up that one port for one of the toms. So:

I’m removing the extra tom so there will be 6 of those. and probably selling the set of E-jam blocks. so I think 2 edrumin 8s should be enough:

6 toms divided by 2 zones per tom = 3 ports

8 octobans will need 4 ports

then that 8th port can handle the 2 zone snare

So then the 2nd edrumin 8 would handle 6 cymbals including the 3 zone ride and the kick + hi hat. So I guess I will be short one for the cowbell. Dang! Oh well, close enough. lol then I’m cutting costs + the 8 is going back in stock next month! (yay!) whereas the 10 won’t be back until March 2024. (boooo!)

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So my follow up question: How do I change which pad in the graphic responds to a give drum pad from my kit? Ex. right now, when I hit my 8 inch tom in the kit, the graphic shows it is mapped to a floor tom. How do I match them up per say? So when I hit the 8 inch tom, it shows the 8 inch/left most rack tom registering the hit in the graphic? Please keep in mind, this is all new to me. only experience I have is a day or two of SSD5 trial and a few days of EZD. but this SD3 obviously has more stuff and you can’t add kit pieces in EZD like you can with SD3. Just need to get my head on straight with this and get on a roll (pun intended) with organizing my arrangement. making sure stuff makes sense. I don’t wanna have a floor tom that is mapped to an 8 inch rack tom etc.

Side note: My plan is to eventually sell the modules in favor of a 2 edrummin 10 trigger modules. I have heard great things about them and they have better triggering apparently + then all control will be in the computer and no more tiny screen on the module or having to make adjustments in both. Unfortunately, they are out of stock and will be for a while so this is what I’m stuck with for now. (unless I can somehow find someone selling theirs but then again, buying used stuff like this makes me nervous)

[bpjacobsen]

NVM, I think I found my answer in this other TT thread: https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/kit-configurations-in-sd3/#:~:text=just%20’Add%20Instrument’%20in%20the,instruments%20you%20want%20to%20add.

Reply To: How to setup SD3 with a large ekit using two Alesis Strike Modules? version: 3.3.6
Operating system: Windows 10

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